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Title Default Surname when adding children & parents
Category General
Description Requirement
The overall requirement is to be able to offer a wider range of "default surname" on "Add Child" and on "Add a parent". It has two features:
  1. Currently the default behaviour is controlled by a check box: "Insert father's surname when creating children". The requirement is that this should also control the adding of a default surname when creating a father or mother (V7 already does this when creating father's in patrilineal situations).
  2. Currently the default behaviour is controlled by a check box: "Insert father's surname when creating children". The requirement is to enable a wider range of options.
Benefits
This offers more functionality to existing users (in patrilineal families) and to a wider range of potential users (in non-patrilineal families or families where the surname does not follow patrilineal practice).

Notes
The current option is controlled by a checkbox
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Current Control of surnaming

A. Basic Changes - to enable others

1. If the current behaviour is changed to a pull-down list, the current options would be:
  • None - equivalent of unchecked
  • Patrilineal - equivalent of what we have at the moment
It is then relatively easy to contemplate further options (see section B below)

2. If this behaviour can be set at family level we can then potentially handle the situation when an individual marries into a family with different surnaming practices. So for instance whilst most of a project follows the Patrilineal convention descendents of that couple might follow a different convention (so we would have to use option "None" under current choices). This could be implemented by a control on the Property Box / Focus Window between the parents and the children that contains the pull-down list detailed in (1) above - but applying to just that couple and its descendants. The choice could be held in a FH specific system variable ("_SURNAMING"?) held on the Family Record. This choice would be "inherited" by subsequent new families (up or down the generations).

3. Bi-directional. In V7 If Patrilineal is specified, when we create a father, the father's surname should default to that of his first child. For other possible options (see below) it may also be possible to define other "back in time" defaults for parents subsequently entered.

B. Options then available

We can then consider other options. For instance:

1. Repeat. A useful first step extra option could be:
  • None - equivalent of unchecked
  • Patrilineal - equivalent of what we have at the moment
  • Repeat - for subsequent children use the same surname as the previous child (by DoB if known, by order in the Family Record if not).
This gives a half-way house for more complicated naming conventions (for instance double barrelling - you manually edit the surname of the first child and subsequent children take the same surname by default)

2. Matrilineal
Add another option
  • None - equivalent of unchecked
  • Patrilineal - equivalent of what we have at the moment
  • Matrilineal - insert mother's surname (instead of the father's)
  • Repeat - for subsequent children use the same surname as the previous child.
An unreferenced comment in the Wikipedia article on Spanish Naming practises says:
Wikipedia wrote:Patrilineal surname transmission was not always the norm in Spanish-speaking societies. Prior to the mid-eighteenth century,[citation needed] when the current paternal-maternal surname combination norm was adopted, Hispanophone societies often practised matrilineal surname transmission, giving children the maternal surname and ...
The programming logic is very similar to the existing patrilineal option and would mean that for matrilineal families FH could default to the behaviour they want rather than none or the one they don't want.

If Bi-directional is implemented, selecting Matrilineal means when we create a mother, the mother's surname defaults to that of her first child.

3. Handling Illegitimacy in Patrilineal Cultures
Add another option
  • None - equivalent of unchecked
  • Patrilineal - equivalent of what we have at the moment
  • Patrilineal+ - but use mother's surname if father is unknown
  • Matrilineal - insert mother's surname (instead of the father's)
  • Repeat - for subsequent children use the same surname as the previous child.
This would handle the situation that arises in Patrilineal cultures when children are born illegitimately and are registered under their mother's surname.
Web Link https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=21189
Votes 4
Rating 2.8
Added Saturday 3rd June 2023
Last Vote Wednesday 3rd January 2024

 

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