* Import from LFT and Living Flag

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Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by ronk » 07 May 2016 02:51

Back a couple months ago migrated to FH from Legacy FT. There was an LFT Living Flag which may not have come across in the gedcom since the FH Living Flag is blank for everyone. The only way I can tell in FH is looking at the Death Fact for died or not, right? Or is there another FH record field which indicates the individual is marked as deceased? And if there is such a field, is it passed to TNG, since there is a Living flag there?
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Re: Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by tatewise » 07 May 2016 09:53

Ron, the primary problem with all such Flags is that there is no standard GEDCOM specification for them, so each product has its own dialect custom tags for them.

Legacy FT may or may not export its Living Flags in its GEDCOM file, but if it does then they will appear as UDF in FH.

FH uses its dialect custom tag _FLGS to hold a list of Individual record Flags.
You can defined your own Deceased Flag but I advise against it.

TNG can be customised to recognise _FLGS as if it is an Event tag, but will only import one Flag per Individual. I am not sure if that is the TNG Living Flag you mention, or whether TNG has its own such custom Flag?

The Export Gedcom File Plugin on its Extra Options tab has several options for Record Flags 1 _FLGS.
For TNG the _FLGS tag can be retained.
The most common is to convert each Flag into a Custom Event, which will then survive round trips, but not as an FH Flag.
Most of the details above are documented in the Plugin Help & Advice pages.

Yes, the primary method for signalling an Individual is deceased is the standard DEATh Event, that can be detected with an Expression.
Alternatively, if there is enough data to determine Date of Birth, then an Expression to test if Age today is greater than say 110 years, can assume deceased.
A third option is to assumed deceased if no DEATh Event and no Living Flag.
The Show Project Statistics Plugin reports an exception for every Individual with no DEATh, BURIal, or CREMation Event nor a Living Flag.
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Re: Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by ronk » 08 May 2016 15:36

Thanks, the expanation helps a lot. I determined that the LFT gedcom apparently had what FH needed to create DEATH event facts and migrated fine, and from FH to TNG as well.
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Re: Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by tatewise » 08 May 2016 16:38

That is almost certainly true, but standard Gedcom Death Events are nothing to do with Living Flags, which (in FH at least) can be set quite independently of any events.
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Re: Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by ronk » 08 May 2016 17:53

I guess, regardless of the terms,field names or flags, I'm just indicating the behaviour I saw since migration, as far as living or dead, is the following from LFT to FH to TNG:
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And this is maintained on a round trip back to LFT, with the FH gedcom export options chosen, so I'm OK with it.
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Re: Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by tatewise » 08 May 2016 17:58

Ah! It seems that the LFT Living? No is exported & imported as a Death Event with no Date or Place details.
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Re: Import from LFT and Living Flag

Post by ronk » 08 May 2016 20:10

Yes, that's what seems to be the case. Of course if there is a date and/or place, the LFT living yes/no is automatically set to NO. Otherwise it has to be set manually in LFT.
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