* TMG to FH custom Facts (Tags)

[E Wilcock]

I would welcome guidance on the automatic import TMG 9 to FH 6 of custom (non GEDCOM standard) Tags.
And the affect, if any, of FH plug ins and additional fact sets on the direct import of TMG Projects?

There are additional fact sets for FH, and I note there is one for travel.
Would the addition of this or any other fact set allow a better import of my own custom travel Tags / Facts?

I have as an example a custom Tag, Travel, in TMG. I use this for travel to a place. The travel destination goes in a place field. I use the date field for arrival date, if known.

My Travel Tag has imported as Immigratn1 with the ubiquitous sentence "experienced Immigratn in" so I will need to edit the sentence, but as that tag is used only for travel this can be done universally.

Somewhat illogically and to minimise my use of non GEDCOM facts with the demise of TMG , I started to use EVENT MISC for departures. These fields have imported to FH perfectly although again the sentence fields need editing. As I use Event Misc for many things, I guess the sentences will have to be edited individually.

Although this fact set would be useful to record annual holidays and to date the diaries and photos associated with them, it would have been invaluable to me. I used my Travel fact to record shipping passenger list entries and thus map the careers of people travelling almost annually between different continents for commercial reasons. The data entry took a long time and I am hoping to preserve it.

[tatewise]

There are two quite separate aspects to your posting:
1) Importing Custom Facts, and 2) Custom Fact Sentences.

1)
As you say, the Custom Facts imported into FH, and presumably appear in the Facts tab OK.
You must have defined your Travel tag in TMG with the name Immigratn1.
Check the Master Tag Type List for the Tavel tag, and View its GEDCOM Tag Type Definition on the Other tab, where you can change it if you prefer to pehaps Travel and import again.

2)
The Fact Sentence and other settings, are defined in FH via Tools > Fact Types.
All the Standard GEDCOM Facts are predefined, but Custom Facts of course are not, so a default Sentence is used as you have found.
Checkout the Help on Tools > Fact Types and you will be able to create a New... Custom Fact Definition to match your imported Facts. If you need further assistance with this then please ask.

[DonF]

Evelyn,
I too have a Travel tag in TMG, which FH is happily accepting and converting to an FH Travel event.
In FH this is stored in the GEDCOM as a 1 EVEN 2 TYPE Travel set of tags, and the rest all comes across OK (bar fixing the sentences of course).
If yours are being interpreted by FH as an Immigration tag, then I would suspect you cloned your TMG Travel tag originally from the TMG Immigration tag, and if so, it probably has the GEDCOM tag type set the same as Immigration (which is IMMI).

In TMG, go to Tools, Master Tag type List, select Travel, Edit, and look at the Other tab. In there, you could either
a) set the 'GEDCOM export as' (which I suspect has the Tag name as IMMI) to the other setting, (namely '1 EVEN 2 TYPE Travel') OR
b) set the 'GEDCOM export as' as Tag TRAV. This is not a valid GEDCOM tag type, but it is how mine is set and FH gets it right.
and see how you go with another FH import.

(Sorry for the detailed instructions, I know you don't need them, but it may help others).

Don

[E Wilcock]

Don, Please don't apologise. I do need the help. I need all the help I can get.

I knew how to alter the GEDCOM export from TMG, but was using / testing the Direct import now available in FH6.0.4.

It didn't cross my tiny mind that editing or changing GEDCOM Facts in TMG would feed into the direct import to FH. Nor that I could leave Custom labels, tho I do see that the dated UK Census tags come across.

Nor do I want to be negative about my short experiment today. My census entries have come in beautifully. I have not been consistent with Census entries since I moved from Generations (GEDCOM) software without witnesses to TMG and began to save time using witnesses rather late in the day. Being a purist, for many years I used census entries only as sources and not as Events or Facts.

Moreover even my endless Travel records come across well in an individual summary report as that does not use sentences and just uses the Notes.

[DonF]

Evely,
On re-reading my post I found too much of a GEDCOM flavour, and I can see you may have mis-interpreted it to mean it applies to a GEDCOM import from TMG, which was not my intent (I've never used it).

So I DO mean the FH direct import, and if you read it from that viewpoint I hope it makes more sense.

To re-state somewhat what I think is happening with your Travel tag, I believe FH handles the direct import from TMG like this:

a) it reads the TMG data, and for each TMG tag, uses the GEDCOM tag name associated with it (in the Master Tag List) to decide what sort of tag it is. In your case, I suspect your Travel tag in TMG is identified as IMMI (immigration) and so FH thinks it's an Immigration tag.

b) if the TMG tag has a GEDCOM tag name it can't understand (like my Travel tag's TRAV name), it creates a GEDCOM structure in FH which looks like 1 EVEN (i.e, a miscellaneous event) 2 TYPE tag name (where it uses the TMG Tag name as the TYPE). So in my case, FH ends up with an Fact of type TRAVEL, which just happens to be exactly right.

c) if the TMG tag had been set to use the 1 EVEN 2 TYPE xxx format (which controls what happens if TMG constructs GEDCOM output), then I suspect FH would use that format and create a TYPE xxx Event - but I haven't tested this.

Hope that all now makes more sense.

Don

[E Wilcock]

No, I rightly understood we were talking about the direct import. You didnt make any mistake.

I was only confessing that I had not understood that the direct import could be negotiated via GEDCOM and similar Fact / Tag choices choices make within the TMG Project prior to the direct transfer to FH.

There are many instructions kindly provided for tidying up TMG for a GEDCOM export. But I brought my Project in to FH untouched.

Thank you.

[tatewise]

FH uses GEDCOM as its database, so whatever import method is used FH must convert all the data to GEDCOM Tags, and in the case of TMG uses its Master Tag Type List to obtain the desired GEDCOM Tags.

I don't think Evelyn's Travel tag is defined as IMMI because then the Sentence Template would be defined by the standard IMMIgration Fact Type in FH, and say something like He migrated to America in 1800.

The Sentence actually says something like He experienced Immigratn in 1800 which implies an undefined Fact tag, because that is the default Sentence structure for such Facts.

Use Tools > Fact Types and tick Show Hidden to reveal the Visible & Status columns.
Hold down the Alt key and click the Visible column heading.
This will bring all <undefined> Facts to the top and one Label/Name should match Immigratn.
Use the New... button to define those undefined tags and give them a Sentence Template, etc, similar to the Master Tag Type List definitions in TMG.