* Creating a new record type

[phodder1]

I am trying to add a new record type "Voyage" where I add attributes to this record. The only option I get is to select from 4 fields as check boxes. Is the product capable of creating a new entity or adding an attribute to an entity.? Although help keeps talking about it, there is no clear way of doing it.

[tatewise]

Are you talking about a new Fact Type via the Tools > Fact Types command?
But that has more than 4 check boxes.

You cannot create a new Record Type as only the GEDCOM Individual, Family, Note, Source, Repository, Submitter, Submission, Media, Place & Header record types are allowed as indicated by the 10 tabs in the Records Window.

Please give a clearer description of the commands and dialogues and help pages you are using.
e.g. All dialogue windows and help pages have a name top left.

[phodder1]

Maybe it is best to describe what I was trying to do.
I want to describe a voyage to Australia as an event attached to an individual or family record. There is an emigration event and an immigration event, but I was looking to create a voyage event that has the ship name, departure port and date and arrival port and date, i.e. Jo Blow sailed from Liverpool on the "True Briton" on the 4th January 1857, arriving in Sydney on the 6th April 1857.
I was able to add an attribute using the tools Fact types command under Custom fact set and create a fact of Ship with attribute ship name, but the fact definition box has 4 check boxes for date, age, place, address and note.
I think I have now figured it out. I couldn't see how to create a new fact set, but I found the help for creating and deleting a fact set and realised you could type in a new fact set for a new attribute.
Is this correct/best way to achieve what I am trying to do:
Create an attribute for departure port with check box place ticked with fact set Voyage,
departure date with check box date ticked with fact set Voyage,
arrival port with check box place ticked with fact set Voyage,
arrival date with check box date ticked with fact set Voyage,
how do I define an attribute for ship name as no check box option for a name?
Thanks for your prompt response to my initial request.
Regards
peter

[rodit]

Peter
I use the Emigration fact and add the arrival date and ship in Notes, as per the attached screen shot.
(If it was an Emigration, that is. You can use a similar method for Transportation, but you will have to create a Custom Fact.)
Cheers
Roger

[tatewise]

Peter, as a newcomer, perhaps a little background explanation is worthwhile.
FH is like many genealogy products, and works closely with the GEDCOM specification; see glossary:gedcom|> GEDCOM.
That restricts what fields are allowed, and thus enables such data to migrate between products.
i.e. You can export your FH Project to products that offer Online Family Trees or alternative Family Charts.
So FH (and other products) work within the GEDCOM rules that allow custom Facts to be added, but they can only have the standard subsidiary fields.

Strictly speaking the standard Emigration and Immigration facts should only have one Place field, but FH has added a 2nd Place field, which does not usually migrate to other products.

So you have a limited number of options:

1. Use the Emigration or Immigration fact as suggested by rodit for the whole voyage.
   It can be further customised so the Sentence says perhaps sailed instead of emigrated for that one fact.
2. Use a separate fact with separate dates for the start and end of the voyage.
   e.g. Emigration Event for start and Immigration Event for end.
   Also there are existing Origin Attribute and Departure Attribute custom facts for start of voyage.
   And there are existing Arrival Attribute and Destination Attribute custom facts for end of voyage.
   The advantage of an Attribute is that it has an extra value you could use to identify the ship
   See glossary:work_with_fact_sets#custom_facts_from_other_products|> Custom Facts from other Products for those existing Extended Set facts.

There is a technique for adding custom fact fields within the Note field as illustrated by rodit.
See how_to:narrative_report_fact_sentence_templates|> Narrative Report Fact Sentence Templates under how_to:narrative_report_fact_sentence_templates#custom_fact_fields|> Custom Fact Fields.

[Gowermick]

Mike,
Pedant that I am, doesn’t a move from Country A to Country B, involve an emigration From Country A, and an Immigration To Country B. i.e. The Immigration and Emigration facts should be used as a pair.

I know I only use a single fact to identify the journey, but perhaps in hindsight, I really should have been using a pair. This has the added advantage that you can record both dates (Departure and Arrival) independently, especially as they could be weeks/months apart.

Whoops, you already said that! Teach me to half read a post

[phodder1]

Thanks Roger for your information and example.

It sets me in the right direction, but I still can't get how this works. Is there a structure to the details you put in the note field. What is the significance of the ship: and date: sections? Is this a custom attribute set up?

What are the syntax rules and pre-requisites to make your example work?

Appreciate any assistance as the help is not very helpful in explaining the concepts of what the software is doing.

Regards

Peter

[tatewise]

See the end of my latest posting and link to the [kb]|[/kb] page that explains all.

The ship: and date: are Note labels that identify the associated details.
They may be referenced in the Sentence Tempate defined via Tools > Fact Types in any Facts whether standard or custom, or event or attribute, so the details will appear in Narrative Reports.
Usually a function such as =GetLabelledText(%FACT.NOTE2%,"ship: ") will retrieve those details in any Expression associated with the Fact.

Roger omitted to give those details so please read the [kb]|[/kb] page.

[rodit]

Peter
As Tatewise mentioned, I omitted to give details of how to get the information to show up.
Attached is the Sentence structure which enables the final sentence as shown on my first attachment.
This is the standard Emigration text with <=GetLabelText> additions as per the Note section.
(The '..other =emigrant' section allows you to insert accompanying people as Witnesses)
I hope that this helps.
Roger

[phodder1]

Thanks for all your assistance. I now have enough to work with to determine best approach. As a new person to this forum, I am really impressed by the quality and promptness of the responses and suggestions and "training".
Peter