* 3 different forenames 3 entries on Familky search

[jsphillips]

Confused ???
I have today researched for siblings of a John Sandals & Elizabeth (Holmes?) on Fmily Search.
This being for the period 1795-1810 in Fletching Suffolk
For entry Stephen below I know the data is correct.
Stephen Sandals..male Christening 5/10/1806 Fletching Sussex father John Sandals mother Elizabeth ..
Indexing project Batch C14805-1 Film 106170 ref ID 2:2S9235G
Sibling or siblings as follows
(1) Nanny Sandals Female christening date 14 July 1800 Fletching father John Sandals mother Elizabeth
Indexing project C14805-1 Film 106170
(2) Bett Sandals Female christening date 14 July 1800 Fletching father John Sandals mother Elizabeth
Indexing project C14805-1 film 1067170
(3)Hetty Sandals female christenind date 14 July 1800 Fletching father John Sandals mother Elizabeth
Indexing project C14805-1 Film 1067170 ref ID 2:2S91RSP..This shows a different id and a Birth date of also 14 July 1800 ? (same as christening ?)
(4) Philly Sandals Female christening 14 July 1880 Fletching father John Sandals mother Elizabeth
Index project C14805-1 Film 1067170 ref ID 2:2S91RV4 and a birth date of 14 July 1item 11also
Mary Sandal female christening date 29 October 1797 Fletching father John Sandals mother Elizabeth
Index project C14805-1 film 1067170
John Sandals male christening date 14 August 1803 Fletching father John Sandals mother Elizabeth
Index project C14805-1 film 1067170 ref ID 2:2S91XJW.
All appear to be descendants of John Sandals & Elizabeth..all have Index project the same.. but ref ID's are different.
Are item 1, 2, 3 &4 all the same child ..perhaps triplets/quadriuplets? ie why Mormons got 4 different names for 1 child ?
Also strange that in 2 cases numbers 3 & 4 above were christened on their birth dates???
Any ideas or can anyone point me in a direction to find the actual truth ??

[mjashby]

The dates for the other children suggest that these were probably quads rather than a 'batch baptism/christening of children" born at different times; and Christening at Birth was not at all unusual if children were not expected to survive long. I believe that this was sometimes carried out by the midwife if a clergyman couldn't attend before death and details then passed on for recording in the Parish Register. The only way to be 'more certain' is to look for further evidence life/death/burial events for the children. If you find burials on the same date, it may also indicate that the children were named after death and immediately prior to burial, e.g.: "xxx had a child baptised and buried named ...."

Mervyn

[colinmoretti]

I would be very sceptical about multiple births, especially as there are obviously a number of hits for each child; it looks to me like a number of submissions, note that there are three where a date of birth is not given. My guess (and that's all it is) is that whoever made the transcriptions entered the christening date as the birth date by mistake and was not able to correct it. I think that this was just a case of a number of children all christened on the same day, not that unusual an event, and you cannot assume that it was multiple births. You really need to look at a film of the register rather than rely on the transcription; if it was a multiple birth there would almost certainly be a note to that effect which will not feature in the FamilySearch transcription. You should be able to view the film at a church Family History Centre although you will probably have to order it in advance, depending where you go.

Colin

[AnneEast]

Looks like a visit to the Suffolk Archives is needed!
Anne

[LornaCraig]

Sussex might be a better bet . The question starts off referring to Fletching, Suffolk but in the next line it's Fletching, Sussex. That's where Fletching seems to be.

[AnneEast]

Ha! Should have looked more carefully! Whichever it is I sure the parish records could sort it out.
Anne

[jmurphy]

I agree with the comments already posted.

These and all extracted records are derivative records. Errors can happen any time a record is copied and/or modified (i.e. when the transcription is converted to a computer database). See if the originals still exist, and try to get copies of the images.

If you haven't already done so, check the FamilySearch catalog to see if the registers are there in a different collection as images that can be browsed. These days, FamilySearch is making an effort to get microfilm online first and worry about the indexing later. Since you have the alleged christening dates from the extractions, you can use that to find the appropriate waypoints to start browsing.

The other thing I would suggest is to look for other extractions / transcriptions to get a second reading. Is there any coverage for this area on FreeREG?

Always try to 'chase the record down the rabbit hole' and find the best possible source.

[jsphillips]

Thank you all
Most interesting and helpful
I dont think there were quads ! Family shows no signs and no further deaths
I wonder as names very similar whether they were one Hett Betty etc ?
Yes I think a visit to the county archives is imminent
I wonder if the Mormon film would give any more detail than already shown ?
Thank you all again
John

[annie020]

Fletching Parish Register
27 May 1797, John Sandels of this parish (made his mark) and Elizabeth Holmes of this parish (made her mark) were married by Licence, by George Woodward, Vicar, in the presence of Thomas Martin (made his mark) and Wm Weston.

From the baptismal date of their first daughter (Mary), Elizabeth was pregnant when they married. Her second pregnancy resulted in quadruplets. Hetty, Bett, Philly & Nanny were born and baptised on 14 July 1800 and the parish register noted: *all born at the same birth this day. Nanny was buried on 19 July 1800 and Philly was buried on 24 July 1800, both at Fletching. I have not found burials for either Hetty or Bett.

The Sussex Advertiser, 21 July 1800
Lewes, July 21.
On the 14th instant the wife of John Sandall, under-gardener at Sheffield-Place, in this county, was taken in labour about nine o'clock in the morning, and before three the same day, was safely delivered of four daughters. They were baptized in the course of the evening, and appeared likely to live. Lady Sheffield having visited them, all possible care was taken of the family. The mother of the four children is remarkably well; she is 23 years old, has been married three years, and had only one child before. The two children, last born, were more weakly than the two first. The oldest child was brought into the world by its great grand-mother; but difficulty afterwards presenting itself, a man-midwife was sent for, who, on his arrival, soon removed the difficulty, and by accelerating the births, gave safety to the most extraordinary labour he had ever before witnessed during the whole course of his practice.

[AnneEast]

How interesting! Just shows that while many of us sceptical of multiple births they obviously did and still do occur occasionally. Shows you should always try to find the original records.
Anne

[jsphillips]

Thank you Annie
Wonderful thanks again