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Post by GrahamWade » 16 May 2011 12:32

Hi, I am new to FH and the forum and am trying to decide on where to store information about certificates as sources. Most fields I am happy with but having problems with the following:
  • I want to store the entry number of the certificate and also to store the 'Sleeve number' where there is a copy of the certificate. I could use CustomId for one but the other?
  • Where to put the district and subdistrict
  • Where to put the date of the certificate
  • Also, what do people use the 'entry date' on the citation for?
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Post by nsw » 16 May 2011 15:49

Hi Graham

If you haven't already, can I recommend you try out my 'Ancestral Sources' program - it is free to use. I think most users of Family Historian would recommend it for dealing with Census records and over time future versions will support the other common sources too.

It may give you a clearer idea as to the way to use sources too as you begin to see how it generates data in your file.

The GEDCOM standard uses the entry date to record the date the document was recorded - e.g the census date.

You may find more help on this site in the Knowledge base - take a look at the Sources section.

Nick

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Post by GrahamWade » 16 May 2011 20:31

Nick
I have looked at your program and one of the reasons for asking is knowing how to set the options within your program so that my source are consistent.

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Post by tatewise » 16 May 2011 20:48

Yes, where to store some information is not well defined, and in some cases it is a personal choice.
If it helps, here are my suggestions:
  • The Certificate Entry number I store in the Publication Information field along with the Index details such as Year, Quarter, District, Volume, Page, and then Entry.
    e.g. 1925 Q1 Uxbridge 3a 78 432.
    The Sleeve Number can then either be appended to the above, or go in the Custom Id or Short Title field.
  • The District is dealt with above, and the Sub-District could be inserted there too (but see below).
  • As Nick says the Date goes in the Birth, Marriage, Death Event Date field.
  • I use the Citation Entry Date to record the Registration Date, which for Birth and Death may be sometime after the Event and in a different Quarter, but for Marriage and Census is usually the same as the Event.
In addition to all that, I create a transcript of the Certificate in the Source Text From Source field, which is like the following, but tabulated a bit better:

Certificate:  BXCE 123408
District:       Uxbridge
Sub-district: Uxbridge
County:       Middlesex
Entry No:      432
When:            Seventeenth February 1905
Where:            6 Cleve Road, Hillingdon, West Uxbridge
Name:            Edna
Sex:               Girl
Father:        James Smith
Mother:       Elsie Smith formerly Jones
Occupation:      Journeyman Carpenter
Informant:      E.Smith      Mother
Residence:      4 High Road, Hayes
Registered:      Twenty Seventh March 1905
Registrar:      A.Finch

This uses Labels on each line, which can be located using a Function called GetLabelledText() that you may not yet have discovered:
e.g.
=GetLabelledText(%SOUR.TEXT%, ”Entry No:”)
would return 432 from the above transcript.

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Post by nsw » 16 May 2011 21:00

[Edit: I was writing this at the same time as Tatewise so apologies if we repeat a lot of similar info !]

Ah OK - I wasn't sure at what stage you were at.
I want to store the entry number of the certificate and also to store the 'Sleeve number' where there is a copy of the certificate. I could use CustomId for one but the other?
In Ancestral Sources there is a reference number text box that can be used for that. Using the default settings this is recorded in the source 'Publication Information' field. The default census title template would record it as part of the source title.
Where to put the district and subdistrict

A problem with addresses in general is it can be very easy for a couple to live in the same house for 40 years but in different records the address can be recorded in various ways. Where possible I would recommend recording the place as consistently as possible across these records and put the more record specific information such as district and sub-district, etc. in the source text. I use the method that most users seem to favour, with the town, county, country (though I don't bother with country as I hardly have any records other that in UK) e.g.
Place: Preston, Lancashire, England
Address: 12 The High Street
Where to put the date of the certificate
If it is a birth certificate then the date of birth would be in the birth event linked to the source. It would also be in the transcription of the certificate in the source text together with the birth registration date.
Also, what do people use the 'entry date' on the citation for?
As all the important data is in the source I don't tend to use the citation to store data. However, it can be used to record the date of the original record. For a birth certificate I suppose this could be the registration date or the birth date. Some people do use it to record the date they entered the new source into Family Historian but I don't think this is what it was intended for.

Hope this helps

Nick

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Post by GrahamWade » 17 May 2011 14:33

Nick and TateWise.

Thanks for the info it was exactly the sort of advice as was looking for. Now to make some decisions...[confused]

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