* Census and Census Template

[peterbel]

I have got myself confused between these as listed under the Sources tab.
I have been using Census Templates for some time but hadn't realised that although I have filled them in, they haven't 'qualified' to be listed under Census Template but appear under Generic Type/ Census.
It isn't a major issue but just another example of how poor my knowledge of FH!
Could someone please explain why and what I must have done to have them listed differently.
Thanks

[tatewise]

It would help us understand your problem if you can explain exactly how you have been using them.
i.e. What commands do you use? Do you use Ancestral Sources?

Also, a screenshot showing what you mean by being listed under Census Template but appear under Generic Type/ Census, because I don't recognise either of those terms.

[LornaCraig]

Also, a screenshot showing what you mean by being listed under Census Template but appear under Generic Type/ Census, because I don't recognise either of those terms.

I think Peter means that in the Sources tab of the Records window there is nothing in the Template column for these sources but in the Generic Type column it says Census. So they are clearly generic sources.

Peter, are you sure you are looking at census sources you have created since you started using templates? Perhaps the ones you are seeing happen to be older ones created before V7, and therefore generic sources?

If you click on the Template column in the Records window to sort on that column are there any templated census sources? (You may need to hold down the Alt key while clicking, so that the sources with an entry in the Template column are shown at the top.)

[peterbel]

Thanks for the replies.
I did wonder about a screenshot when I posted but thought it a bit too tricky for one, anyway, Lorna you are spot on, Sources in the Records window. Here are two screenshots:

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A while ago I did dabble with AS but don't use it routinely now, perhaps the Census Return entries under Template have come from then. Would they be date stamped, that might explain them?

I suppose the key question is there any advantage of one over the other?

[tatewise]

It sounds like you are asking about the difference between Generic Sources and new Templated Sources introduced by FH V7.
Start by studying the FHUG KB article Sources and Citations in Version 7 (for Upgraders) which explains the pros and cons of Generic Sources as supported by all previous FH versions and the new Templated Sources introduced by FH V7. Follow its links to related articles to get a full picture.
You will then probably have questions to ask here

[LornaCraig]

A while ago I did dabble with AS but don't use it routinely now, perhaps the Census Return entries under Template have come from then. Would they be date stamped, that might explain them?

Your screenshots show that the templated source records have higher ID numbers than the generic sources, so the templated ones have been created more recently. (This should be confirmed if you look at the date/timestamp the Updated column, although if you have made any changes to them since they were first created the timestamp will obviously have changed).

The generic sources are problably the ones you created with AS in the past. Templated sources were only introduced with FH V7 but AS can now handle those as well.

[peterbel]

The mist is clearing !
Yes the Template Sources are the most recent and from V7. I think the Generic ones are from V6 and earlier, maybe some from AS.
I read the details from your link Mike and it has filled in a lot of the gaps in my knowledge.
Apart from my own screen viewing/updating of my Family data I occasionally create a Booklet for a relative. Would the formatting of that be better with Templates or Generic?
Also, I notice I have some duplications, should I remove one of them, perhaps the Generic?

[tatewise]

Apart from my own screen viewing/updating of my Family data I occasionally create a Booklet for a relative. Would the formatting of that be better with Templates or Generic?

Depends upon what you mean by better and on what Source Citation details you include in the Booklet.
I suggest you create a copy of your Project and experiment with Templated Sources to see how the Booklet changes.

Also, I notice I have some duplications, should I remove one of them, perhaps the Generic?

Without knowing exactly what you mean by duplications it is difficult to advise.
Whether one should be deleted or the duplicate pair merged needs to be considered carefully.

Your old Generic Sources have Titles that involve the Census Place and Head of household Name.
Your new Templated Sources have inconsistent Titles with various details but no Head of household Name.
IMO your Source Title naming convention needs to become standardised.

[peterbel]

Thanks both.
The same Census event in both Generic and Template.
My 'better' really relates to how FH Booklet will handle them. I have found that Generic Census data, although tabulated, often extends over the page edge and needs correcting. I will experiment.

Your new Templated Sources have inconsistent Titles with various details but no Head of household Name.

Yes I had noticed that and have already corrected them.

[tatewise]

Sorry, that is getting confusing because you have introduced the Census Event which is a Fact, not a Source Record.
I think we need to see screenshots of what is duplicated in order to advise correctly.

Regarding the Booklet, I think you are talking about the Text From Source tabulated grid of the transcript.
That is not affected by the choice of Generic versus Templated source records, but simply by the way you have chosen to format that Text From Source field. The latest version of AS has features to adjust the grid table width and even split it into two sections to avoid extending over the page edge, but again nothing to do with Generic versus Templated.

[NickWalker]

The latest version of AS has features to adjust the grid table width and even split it into two sections to avoid extending over the page edge, but again nothing to do with Generic versus Templated.

AS is able to adjust the column widths easily, but I'm not aware that it has a feature to split the table into two sections Mike. I think the latest version of FH has this?

[tatewise]

Sorry Nick, I get confused over which product offers which features. Nevertheless, the table management is the same for both Generic and Templated sources.