* Testing Ancestral Sources v7.5.7

[BillH]

Nick,

I ran across a problem with this census. There are only two columns, but the headings and data were not converted correctly.

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Bill

[NickWalker]

Yes I can imagine it wouldn't necessarily interpret that correctly as it's looking for more clues than just a single comma to determine how to convert it and what the column separator might be. That's one of the examples where you would use the tools (buttons above the grid) to correct it, e.g splitting text, etc. Although in this case there is so little data that it is probably easier to just edit the boxes manually in the grid and delete the additional column.

[BillH]

OK... no problem. I will go ahead an make the changes to the grid.

I have another question. In the help it says " It will attempt to identify a name column (identified by an asterisk * in the column header) and uses this to try to associate each row with the individuals linked to the census source. ".

I have converted about 30 census so far and I have yet to see an * over the name column as the help shows. All of the names seem to be associating with the names in the project just fine. Do I have some kind of problem in my original source text?

Bill

[neil40]

I've got something similar to BillH above, but have no text at all. All my other censuses converted like a dream, but I'm left with this one.

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All the family members appear to have this census attached to them as expected though

[NickWalker]

I've got something similar to BillH above, but have no text at all. All my other censuses converted like a dream, but I'm left with this one.
All the family members appear to have this census attached to them as expected though

I can't really comment without seeing the contents of the "orignal source text" that it is trying to convert. Can you paste that in.

[neil40]

If you mean from AS Nick, it’s blank!

[NickWalker]

I have another question. In the help it says " It will attempt to identify a name column (identified by an asterisk * in the column header) and uses this to try to associate each row with the individuals linked to the census source. ".

I have converted about 30 census so far and I have yet to see an * over the name column as the help shows. All of the names seem to be associating with the names in the project just fine. Do I have some kind of problem in my original source text?

Hi Bill

I'll add some extra text to the help guide about this. I assume don't use the 'Hyper-link to individual records' option that underlines each name so when you click on it in FH you are taken to that individual's record. The * column indicates to AS which column it should add the hyperlinks to. As you don't use this feature the * doesn't appear. Although actually it sometimes does, so I'll make some corrections for the next version to fix this.

[NickWalker]

If you mean from AS Nick, it’s blank!

I can't really see how that's possible! There must be some source text in order for it to have found the words "From Census Image"?

Just to be clear, the conversion process only looks at the original source text to carry out the conversion so if the source text doesn't have the census table data in it, then AS isn't going to be able to convert it.

[ColinMc]

I only just managed to get time to install yesterday, so jumped straight to 7.5.2. On installing, I got the warning about new census templates, and declined that option. In the past I have made a significant number of pretty small edits to the census templates, almost all presentational.

I'm reluctant to lose all those edits without at least viewing the differences. Is there any way to view blank printouts, or do I need to compare the code for each one?

I do have a file compare program, which I can use to view the code changes if I have to.

Needless to say, I did not keep a record of the changes I made!

[NickWalker]

On installing, I got the warning about new census templates, and declined that option.

I believe the only change (as mentioned in the list of features in v7.5) is to correct a spelling mistake on the 1950 USA Census Template as I originally mentioned in this thread. You'll see that version 7.5 also incorporates an option to add a blank line after headings that you asked for in that same thread.

[neil40]

If you mean from AS Nick, it’s blank!

I can't really see how that's possible! There must be some source text in order for it to have found the words "From Census Image"?

Just to be clear, the conversion process only looks at the original source text to carry out the conversion so if the source text doesn't have the census table data in it, then AS isn't going to be able to convert it.

Here's the source text view Nick

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[jbtapscott]

Neil - I've converted several hundred sources using the converter and the only one that came close to what you posted was one where I had "messed up" the original "Text From Source" value in the Source record in FH (basically, only entered a couple of characters!). I suspect Nick would want to see a snip of that underlying Source record in FH to be able to investigate.

[NickWalker]

Here's the source text view Nick

Well in that case AS has done a perfect job of converting the source text! The source text just says "From Census Image" and AS has put those 3 words into 3 columns. What else would you expect it to do?!

[neil40]

Here's the source text view Nick

Well in that case AS has done a perfect job of converting the source text! The source text just says "From Census Image" and AS has put those 3 words into 3 columns. What else would you expect it to do?!

OK. Fair enough Nick, but why has AS highlighted this one for conversion then?
I have 81 census images in my media folder, all added using your amazing program. About 9 or 10 were listed for conversion including this one. The others converted as expected but this one is left as needing conversion.
Cheers
Neil

[NickWalker]

AS listed any sources that have plain source text and this does have source text but with just those 3 words in it and it has converted it. It just turns out the source text wasn't actually a transcription of the source! In these cases I would use the grid and the tools above it to manually transcribe the source image - the image can be viewed by clicking the link above to help you transcribe it.

[ColinMc]

I believe the only change (as mentioned in the list of features in v7.5) is to correct a spelling mistake on the 1950 USA Census Template as I originally mentioned in this thread. You'll see that version 7.5 also incorporates an option to add a blank line after headings that you asked for in that same thread.

Thanks for that confirmation. I had spotted the blank line addition as well, just haven't had time to investigate. Many thanks for that as well. This update is such a big change that I'm doing it one item at a time.

[neil40]

AS listed any sources that have plain source text and this does have source text but with just those 3 words in it and it has converted it. It just turns out the source text wasn't actually a transcription of the source! In these cases I would use the grid and the tools above it to manually transcribe the source image - the image can be viewed by clicking the link above to help you transcribe it.

Thanks Nick
I had wrongly assumed AS wasn’t doing it correctly. I guess this conversation will help any others who may have similar experiences.
I will manually edit it as suggested.

[BillH]

I'll add some extra text to the help guide about this. I assume don't use the 'Hyper-link to individual records' option that underlines each name so when you click on it in FH you are taken to that individual's record. The * column indicates to AS which column it should add the hyperlinks to. As you don't use this feature the * doesn't appear. Although actually it sometimes does, so I'll make some corrections for the next version to fix this.

Nick,

That explains it, I do not have hyperlinks turned on.

Thanks,
Bill

[neil40]

Noticed when editing an incorrect text, the text tip for the Paste button has a typo 'Psate'

[Valkrider]

Nick

I now have this installed in my VM and it is sort of working. The VM is Windows 10. The essentials templates are installed in my FH project. However my Templated Source screen is not the same as yours in the Help. Have I missed something or is it broken in my VM?

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[NickWalker]

Noticed when editing an incorrect text, the text tip for the Paste button has a typo 'Psate'

Thanks Neil - I'll fix that in the next version.

I now have this installed in my VM and it is sort of working. The VM is Windows 10. The essentials templates are installed in my FH project. However my Templated Source screen is not the same as yours in the Help. Have I missed something or is it broken in my VM?

It looks the same to me. I wonder if you're comparing it to the image of the Source Template Editor screen that you would get to if you click on the Template Editor... link on that screen or via the Tools->Source Template Editor menu item. The Source Template Editor is used initially to link to the FH source templates in your file and to specify any autotext tags that may be used to auto-fill the templates (once that's set up for your project you don't need to use this again). The Source Template screen is what you would use to fill in the template for each entry before saving.

[Valkrider]

It looks the same to me. I wonder if you're comparing it to the image of the Source Template Editor screen that you would get to if you click on the Template Editor... link on that screen or via the Tools->Source Template Editor menu item. The Source Template Editor is used initially to link to the FH source templates in your file and to specify any autotext tags that may be used to auto-fill the templates (once that's set up for your project you don't need to use this again). The Source Template screen is what you would use to fill in the template for each entry before saving.

Nick

Sorry I don't understand what you mean the help file shows this

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Which is not the same as mine.

[NickWalker]

Apart from the colour and the fact you've not filled in the place, address, etc. they look the same? Sorry i'm not sure what you mean?

[Valkrider]

I thought that the way you described it and also from the help file if the essentials templates are installed in FH and loaded into AS that is all you need to do.

However, if I try and convert I get this error message

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This message may make sense to you but it doesn't to me

[NickWalker]

Ah OK sorry, I didn't understand the point you were making before but now I see what you mean. Yes something isn't working correctly (which is odd because it was very recently!) and those automated fields (marked with an A) should be filled in automatically when you open that dialogue from the Census Source Conversion screen with a census source selected. I'll fix that (there is one line of code stopping this from working) and release an update tomorrow. I think you must have been the first person to try out the conversion to templated sources!

Thanks for letting me know about this

The message you referred to means you've not entered any data into the templated source fields so it won't be able to save the templated source. You don't have to fill in all the fields but at least one of them has to be filled in (whether manually or automatically) and AS expects you to open the Source Template form and press OK to confirm the entries even if you're just accepting the automated values that have been entered. When the automated fields work correctly you should find all of them are filled in except for the last 2 fields which you would have to fill in yourself. The repository will only be automatically selected for the template if the source being converted had a repository linked to it.

Nick