* Diagram Text Box, Age When Married

[BobWard]

I just noticed that the "His age" and "Her age" for the Marriage event in diagram text boxes seems to be randomly displaying only in the wife's text box in some cases and only in the husband's text box in other cases. I would prefer that these ages be displayed in both the husband and wife text boxes.

Any idea what I may have done to make the marriage ages randomly appear in only certain text boxes, rather than all text boxes for individuals who have been married?

[ADC65]

I think this depends on which Text Scheme you are using for your diagram, so try this:

1. Right click on a blank space in your diagram and choose Diagram Options ...
2. Click on the Text tab of the box that pops up
3. Click on the Edit Text Scheme ... button the right of the box
4. Find the Marriage event, click it and choose Edit at the bottom of the list
5. You'll see a Edit Text Scheme Item box pop up, like the one shown below. Look for items that show as "females only". Click on that button to change to "any". Click any items that say "not displayed" or "displayed" until they say "any". Click OK

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6. If you have lines under the Marriage event with a little arrow on the left side "Marriage, his age at" and so on, do the same to edit these. You will need to change them all (so you will change the Marriage, Marriage his age at, Marriage her age at, and Marriage Notes).
7 Click Apply at the bottom.

Hope fully the details will now appear in both boxes. What I have noticed is that the details only appear for the first marriage. There is another thread here for displaying all marriages, but I would maybe start with the above first and get that working.

[tatewise]

Bob, as with all such problems, it is much easier for us to help if you post your customisation details.
Which standard Text Scheme are you using, or is it a custom one you have designed?
Post a screenshot of the Marriage Age item that displays ages (similar to one posted by Adrian).
Also a screenshot with examples of the problem age displays in boxes.

The Marriage Event details are complicated because they relate to Family records shared by the partners and there are two Age fields. The Marriage Template can refer to just the CUR~FAMS record shown in the Diagram or can refer to specific INDI.FAMS[1], INDI.FAMS[2], etc, records or can loop through them all using INDI.FAMS[1+]. Also, as Adrian explains, there are Box Type options to select which boxes show the details. Whether that is the wife's box or the husband's box depends on whether they are an Ancestor or Descendant of the Diagram Root person.

[BobWard]

Here are some pictures showing the issue.

A snapshot from a Diagram showing the listing of age at marriage is sometimes missing.

The Diagram options box showing the custom text scheme that I am using.

And, the Edit Text Scheme box for my custom Marriage event.

[ADC65]

Could you post the same Edit Text Scheme Item for the other marriage events please, i.e., the His Age and Her Age definitions.

[BobWard]

Could you post the same Edit Text Scheme Item for the other marriage events please, i.e., the His Age and Her Age definitions.

Sure. I assume you are referring to all the various text schemes that include the Marriage event with Ages. For brevity, I will just just show one of the other schemes that includes the Marriage with Age. The is for the scheme titled "Birth, Marr, Death + notes, ages". Yes, it is different from the one I posted for my original diagram, but it was not being used in that diagram.

[tatewise]

No Bob, we are talking about the Text Scheme Used Items that display the his/her age lines.
i.e. Description Marriage (his age at) and Marriage (her age at)
that have Templates such as:
His age: %CUR~FAMS>MARR.DATE:HUSBAND_AGE_AT%
Her age: %CUR~FAMS>MARR.DATE:WIFE_AGE_AT%

So far you have only shown us the Marriage item that displays the Marriage Event line.

Those his/her age items have the same Box Type settings to govern the displayed boxes.
Their Template also uses CUR~FAMS that only displays the details for the displayed partners.

[BobWard]

Ok, I think these are the ones you refer to. These are from the original diagram posted previously.

[tatewise]

Bob, I think you may have discovered a bug in the Box Type options.
With the Descendant or Spouse boxes, Display Option for Remarriage Boxes set to displayed, the details defined by the Template are not dislayed, whereas if set to not displayed they are displayed, and if set to any they are displayed.
However, those options should have no effect on the standard Descendant & Spouse boxes, which are not Remarriage Boxes.
( See the Help for an explanation of a Remarriage Box. )
So, not only do the options have the reverse effect from their name but they affect the wrong boxes.

Please report this to CP.

As explained above, the workaround is to set those options to any.

[BobWard]

Will do. Thank you for the detailed analysis Mike.

[SimonOrde]

Mike - Bob reported a bug on your recommendation. We're not seeing a bug. You said:

>> ... on the standard Descendant & Spouse boxes, which are not Remarriage Boxes

I may have misunderstood, but it sounds as if you are saying that the 'Display option for Remarriage Boxes' setting is only applicable to those Descendant and Spouse boxes which are also Remarriage Boxes. If that is what you meant, that is a misunderstanding. Remarriage boxes are a different box type to either the Descendant or Spouse types. The best way of working out what boxes are which box type is to choose the 'Box Types' text scheme and click 'Apply'. The type of each box will be displayed in the text box. If you experiment with different different diagram types and different spouse display options, you will see boxes of the various different types.

It looks me to as if, in the diagram Bob is using, given his spouse display options, Remarriage boxes are not being displayed. If that is correct, and if the "Display Option for Remarriage Boxes" condition for displaying marriage info in a Descendant box (say) is 'displayed' (i.e. the condition is that Remarriage boxes are being displayed), you would not expect marriage info to be displayed because the condition is not met. If the condition had been "any" or "not displayed" you *would* expect marriage information to be displayed because the condition, in that case, would be met.

The apparent randomness of where the marriage information appeared in Bob's diagram (sometimes in the husband box, and sometimes not) was caused by the fact that the box colouring was based on sex, but the marriage information display was not based on sex. It was based on box type (i.e. Descendant or Spouse). If Bob had used box type colouring, this would have been easier to spot.

Apologies if I've missing something. At any rate, there is clearly more that we could do to make this stuff less confusing.

[tatewise]

Simon, below is a screenshot of the Family Historian Sample Project that hopefully illustrates the problem.
The Box Type colours use the installation settings, so there are no Remarriage Boxes anywhere, which would be pink.

I am trying to understand what the Box Types and Conditions settings control.

In the Box Type column, if an option is ticked the settings to the right are applied, otherwise no Marriage text is shown.

In the Sex column, the setting determines which sex shows Marriage text for each Box Type.

The Display option for Spouse Boxes effect is not so clear but it seems to control what is displayed in a Descendant box type rather than a Spouse box type.
It controls Descendant box Christopher Ian MUNRO and not Spouse box Nicola HEMMINGS.
I have not experimented with Remarriage or Proxy box types.

The Display option for Remarriage Boxes effect is also not very clear but it seems to inversely control what is displayed in a Descendant box type and Spouse box type.
displayed hides the Marriage text for Descendant box Christopher Ian MUNRO and Spouse box Nicola HEMMINGS.
not displayed (and also any) shows the Marriage text for those two boxes.
Since there is no Remarriage box type in the Diagram, I don't understand why this option has any effect at all.
I have not experimented with Proxy box types.

Unfortunately, the Help page does not seem to explain the effect of those last two columns of options. It seems to imply they are useful if the Spouse Display Options is One Box per Marriage, but that does not apply in the cases discussed here.

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[SimonOrde]

>> In the Box Type column, if an option is ticked the settings to the right are applied, otherwise no Marriage text is shown <<

You mean "are applicable" right? These settings are conditions. If those conditions are met, the text is shown for that box type. If they are not met, the text is not shown for that box type.

>> The "Display option for Spouse Boxes" effect is not so clear but it seems to control what is displayed in a Descendant box type rather than a Spouse box type. <<

Think of this table in terms of rows. One row for each box type. The value of the "Display option for Spouse Boxes" in the Descendant Box type row, affects the display of text for Descendant box types. The value of the "Display option for Spouse Boxes" in the Remarriage Box type row, affects the display of text for Remarriage box types. And so on. This should I hope explain why there is no value for "Display option for Spouse Boxes" in the Spouse box type row.

>> The "Display option for Spouse Boxes" effect is not so clear ....
>> The Display option for Remarriage Boxes effect is also not very clear

I recommend you try experimenting as I said, with the "Box Types" text scheme and hopefully all will become clearer. To keep things as simple as possible, open a Descendant diagram, which includes some descendants with no spouse, some with one, and some with more than one. Then try the different spouse display options (click 'Spouse' on the Diagram Toolbar). There are normally 3 of them. They are:

1. No Spouse Info
2. One Box Per Marriage
3. Spouses in Own Box

With 1. you get no Spouse boxes and no Remarriage boxes
With 2. you get Remarriage boxes but no Spouse boxes
With 3. you get Spouse boxes and no Remarriage boxes

For completeness, it is also possible to have a 4th option where you get both Spouse boxes and Remarriage boxes, although this is rarely used.

In case 1, the value for "Display Option for Spouse Boxes" is "not displayed".
In case 1, the value for "Display Option for Remarriage Boxes" is "not displayed".
In case 2, the value for "Display Option for Spouse Boxes" is "not displayed".
In case 2, the value for "Display Option for Remarriage Boxes" is "displayed".
In case 3, the value for "Display Option for Spouse Boxes" is "displayed".
In case 3, the value for "Display Option for Remarriage Boxes" is "not displayed".

That means, for example, that any condition which includes the requirement that the display option for Spouse boxes is 'Displayed', will be met in case 3, and will not be met in cases 1 and 2.

Does that make it any clearer?

It may help to try and think in terms of why we do this. It is because we want the user to be able to switch display option settings without having to rejig anything else (e.g. you shouldn't have to have different text schemes for different spouse display options). And yet in practice, the choice of what kind of boxes you want to be displayed in a genealogy diagram has a critical effect on what text you want to be displayed, and in what boxes. Most of the time FH does all of this for you; so most users should never need to understand this stuff at all, and hopefully everything will work in a way that feels natural and gives them what they want. But if you want to create your own text schemes, it does help to understand it.

Clearly, as I said, we need to work harder to make this stuff less confusing. But if you look at the example in the help ("Edit Text Scheme Item Dialog" page), where it explains the default conditions, when you add an item of data about a person's marriage, you may find that helpful.

[fhtess65]

Yes, please - most of that explanation left me flummoxed.

Thanks

Clearly, as I said, we need to work harder to make this stuff less confusing. But if you look at the example in the help ("Edit Text Scheme Item Dialog" page), where it explains the default conditions, when you add an item of data about a person's marriage, you may find that helpful.

[tatewise]

Thank you Simon, a glimmer of understanding is dawning
The concept of each row applying to each Box Type is not the problem.
As I said before, the Edit Text Scheme Item Dialog page does not help me at all.

IMO the fundamental problem is the association between the General tab Spouse display options and the Text tab conditions Display option for Spouses Boxes and Display option for Remarriage Boxes is very obscure.
The user has to know that for the Spouse display options ...
1. No spouse info does not display Spouse Boxes nor Remarriage Boxes.
2. One box per marriage does not display Spouse Boxes but might display Remarriage Boxes.
3. Spouses in own box might display Spouse Boxes but does not display Remarriage Boxes.
4. Display Remarriage boxes even when displaying Spouse boxes might display Spouse Boxes and Remarriage Boxes.
What boxes actually gets displayed depends on descendant family partnerships.

The following would perhaps be clearer ...
Rename Display option for Remarriage Boxes to Display option if Remarriage Boxes enabled.
Rename Display option for Spouse Boxes to Display option if Spouse Boxes enabled.
The Edit Text Scheme Item Dialog page should explain that association between Spouse display options and those two column conditions. Currently, it only talks in terms of the General tab options and does not relate them to the Spouse and Remarriage box types and the condition columns. The association is no doubt obvious to you but not to users.

The situation is further confused when both Spouse Boxes and Remarriage Boxes are enabled, because the Descendant box conditions for the two Display option for ... settings are not displayed and displayed respectively, which contradict each other!