* Strange behaviour using ORA with Family Historian v7

[jclifford]

This is a minor problem but intriguing, and may be caused by ORA, FH or possibly Ancestral Sources (or me of course).
I am currently using ORA mainly with FindMyPast 1837-2006 Birth Marriage and Death E&W records. This problem relates to recording Death records on the Facts Tab in the FH Property Box.
I have three Auto-type templates:
1. to record deaths before 1970 - which contain Age at Death
2. to record deaths between 1969 and 1983 - which contain Date of Birth and a quarterly Date of Registration
3. to record deaths between 1984 and 2006 - which contain Date of Birth and the Month of Registration
The Death Fact has Fields for Date, Age, Place, Address, Cause and Note. For this dataset the Registration Date goes in Date, template 1 enters the Age, Registration District goes in Place, Address and Cause are empty and templates 2 and 3 enter the Date Born into Note.

BUT template 3 is now entering an Address.

When I first noticed this behavour, this address was always "23 King Street" in my Hulbert Project or "Hawkes Street" in my Clifford project, After uninstalling and reinstalling FH the addresses entered vary - but each of these addresses can be found in my database as part of a Census source for a particular family. All these source records were created using Ancestral Sources.

Template 3 reads "[Registration Month]/[Death year]{TAB}{TAB}[District] {TAB} {TAB}{TAB}born: [Birth day]/[Birth month]/[Birth year]" and a typical Test output is "1/1993{TAB}{TAB}Pontypridd {TAB} {TAB}{TAB}born: 23/8/1915"

This is not a serious problem as it is easy to delete the address on each occurrence, but i wondered whether anyone else has encountered similar behaviour or can explain what is happening.

[JohnnyCee]

You wrote, "BUT template 3 is now entering an Address."

1. What is the evidence that template 3 is doing that? Based on the template, I see no address data.
2. When you watch the Auto Type template in action, do you see any address data entered into the field?
3. The template appears to leave the window open at the end and so I assume you have to click an OK button to proceed.
   1. Is that a valid assumption?
   2. If so, does the input data look correct (i.e., no address data) before you click OK?
4. If I recall correctly, FH has "memorization" feature where it will hold-over data so you don't have to re-key it when entering several records using the same source record. Is that a factor here?

[jclifford]

John, thank you for your prompt response

I am attaching a double screenshot showing the FH property box immediately before and immediately after I click "3" in the ORA control panel. In the before shot the cursor is in the Date field and you can see it in the after shot at the end of the text in the Note field.

Here is a URL for the census image where the interloping address comes from:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record? ... 2F0081%2F1

3. There is no OK required or any window opened

4. I do not use any source records for information obtained from the UK GRO Indexes.

It is past my bedtime here in UK - I will look again at this thread in the morning.

[paultt]

jclifford I don't have a sub with FMP to be able to test your template, but, the default Facts tab page for a completely 'new' person does not show any Died entry, as per your first screenshot. Therefore you must be manually entering something in the Death fields under the Main tab, or on the Facts tab manually adding the 'Add fact'->Death event ? Are these keystrokes not somehow affecting what goes into the address field? Where is the starting point for your cursor immediately before running your Template 3?
I use a similar template for adding various facts, starting with the cursor on the individuals name on the Main tab of the properties page. Yours would look something like this:

#template 3
#switch to the Facts tab
{Ctrl+tab}
# go into insert or add mode
{Ctrl+I}
Death{enter}
#tab to date field
{tab}
[Registration Month]/[Death year]{TAB}{TAB}[District] {TAB} {TAB}{TAB}born: [Birth day]/[Birth month]/[Birth year]
#end template 3

What result does this template give?

[tatewise]

I am not familiar with ORA and I cannot see how AS could be involved.

However, the Template 3 output you posted is: "1/1993{TAB}{TAB}Pontypridd {TAB} {TAB}{TAB}born: 23/8/1915"
The {TAB} after Pontypridd moves the cursor from the Place field to the Address field.
Then there is some 'invisible' character before the {TAB} that updates the Address field.
Might that 'invisible' character be involved somehow in entering the rogue Address?

Could it somehow be invoking the List of Addresses by 'clicking' the [...] box to the right of the Address field and selecting the address at the top of the list.
An interesting check is to open that List of Addresses to see whether '31 Albert Road' is top of the list.

[jclifford]

I have been manually switching to the Facts tab and then selecting Death as Paultt suggests, because I did not know how to do this in ORA - so thanks for showing me how.

I have copied Paul's template to Template 4 in my ORA settings and show the results below for the same individual (after I had deleted her previous Death event) - a different address but still an address

[paultt]

OK, as per Mike Tate's suggestion, try taking out the extra space between the {tab} {tab}{tab} after the district entry.
Change: [Registration Month]/[Death year]{TAB}{TAB}[District] {TAB} {TAB}{TAB}born: [Birth day]/[Birth month]/[Birth year] to
[Registration Month]/[Death year]{TAB*2}[District] {TAB*3}born: [Birth day]/[Birth month]/[Birth year] and see what that does.

[jclifford]

Mike,

I mentioned Ancestral Sources because all the rogue addresses have come from Census events created by using AS.

Your suggestion about looking at the Address list is worth pursuing, because all the rogue addresses which have appeared so far (31 Albert Road, Little End, Rookery House) are near the top of the list - and they are there because they all start with a space character.

[tatewise]

Well that is the answer

If you add any Fact, and enter a space into its Address field, then it auto-completes with an entry in the Address List that starts with a space. This is standard FH behaviour.

So it is the space between the {TAB} codes in template 3 that is the cause of your problems, coupled with Addresses that start with a space. Remove all such extraneous spaces to fix the problem.

[jclifford]

I think the best solution for me is to remove the extra space from the existing Census events which contain the rogue addresses and then make sure that I do not enter any more addresses like that.

I find the space after District useful because I have a system of proper addresses with a comma after each line and RD addresses with " RD" after the district name so that FH fills in the rest of the District address correctly when it reads the template if the district is already in my list.

Thanks for all the teaching from Paul as to how to write templates.

[tatewise]

It is not the space immediately after [District] that is the problem.
[Registration Month]/[Death year]{TAB}{TAB}[District] {TAB} {TAB}{TAB}born: [Birth day]/[Birth month]/[Birth year]
It is the space between the subsequent two {TAB}s shown in red above that is the problem.
However, removing leading spaces from actual Addresses is also a good solution.
I presume you know you can do that in the List of Addresses dialogue by using the Edit... button on the right.

[jclifford]

Thanks for your help, Mike.