* Recording grave location

[bbottomley]

I'm wanting to record the location of several graves (plot numbers) in a particular graveyard as I believe this could be another route for research and potential unsuspected relationships.
The default Burial fact set does not seem to support this function, however there was an Enhanced Death and Burial fact set that was previously available up to FHv6 but not apparently for v7. Is there a work around or do I need to create a custom fact? Down the line I'd like to be able to incorporate the grave location (plot number) into a query.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
Brian

[BillH]

Brian,

It looks like the fact set still exists at Enhanced Death and Burial.

While it doesn't say it is updated for V7, it appears to still work. I've never used it before so I'm not sure, but it loads into FH V7 without any errors.

You can give it a try in the sample project and see if it works for you. It may be that the page just hasn't been updated to mention V7.

Bill

[tatewise]

Brian, why do you say the standard Burial Event does not support grave plot numbers?

You can use any combination of Place, Address & Notes to record that information and attach Media to the Burial Event.
Source Citations and Research Notes also offer other mechanisms for recording those details.
It is not clear what more you would need.

[bbottomley]

Mike, I'd been using Place as in the Town or Village of the location of the church, in this instance Brighouse West Yorkshire and the Address as the Name of the church - St Martins.
I didn't know if it was possible to set up a query using Place/Address/Note to drill down to see if there were multiple burials in plot x in a particular graveyard.
I get that you can be imaginative in the use of the Address field and could have St Martins (plot x) but wasn't really the way I'd envisioned it. Hence my enquiry about an additional grave or plot identifier. When I saw the enhanced Death and Burial I thought others had encountered the same issue and had very cleverly devised a solution but not yet compatible with v7.

Bill, I'll give that a try. I didn't know if it would just sit there and sulk or worse, corrupt existing data.

Cheers
Brian

[tatewise]

I don't have a problem with being creative with the Address and including a Plot identification.
Alternatively, add a fact Note stating the Graveyard Plot identity.
If you are consistent in your Plot naming, then a Query to find everyone with the same Plot identity is easy enough.
Actually, you could probably do it with the Edit > Find... command or the Search and Replace plugin in Search ONLY mode.

Fact Set definitions have not changed significantly in FH v7.0 so those earlier ones will work OK.

Even if you use the Graveyard Location custom attribute you must still be consistent in your Plot naming to find everyone with the same Plot.

[bbottomley]

Mike, I've tried the Enhanced death and Burial fact set and it seems to work fine for my purposes.

A quick few entries of known family grave plots responds as anticipated with a custom query so happy with that.

Just to be awkward I'd like the Grave Location fact to be after the Burial fact

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but the Move up/down arrows are greyed out. Is it not possible to move this fact?

Thanks
Brian

[tatewise]

This is a recurrent problem. See Unable to re-order facts via property box up/down arrows (19840).

In any case, since it is fully Dated 10 May 1899, at best it can only be swapped with the Burial Event with the same Date.
Also, because its Normal Time Frame is Post-Death, it can never be moved before the Death Event.

The Facts tab automatically displays Facts in their Date order regardless of their database order.
However, that fools many users into thinking the database GEDCOM holds the Facts in that chronological order.
If they are not chronological, FH prevents them from being moved up/down on the Facts tab.

Check the All tab and you may find the facts are not in the order that you think.

Have you sorted those Facts in the GEDCOM database by using the various auto-sort options?
See Sorting Children, Spouses & Facts into Date Order.
That should make the Facts tab up/down arrows work correctly.

[bbottomley]

Got it Mike, thanks very much.

Changed the Normal Time Frame from Life to Post Death, refreshed the properties and the move arrows became active again.

Once again thanks for your help and patience.
Brian

[tatewise]

Many of the custom attributes in that Fact Set should have a Normal Time Frame of Post-Death, but on inspecting them closely, none of them defines a Time Frame so it defaults to Life, which is not good. It was created over 11 years ago, when FH V4 applied and maybe did not have the Normal Time Frame feature. Perhaps it should be updated?

BTW: I must have already changed mine to Post-Death so did not initially spot that as a problem.

[McHooty]

Just as a matter of interest the Church of England, through the Cumbrian based company Atlantic Geomatics, are surveying all of their 19,000 churchyards as part of a project to create a free digital map of every grave and feature in every churchyard in the country. All visible headstones will be photographed and a 3D scan made of the inside of all the churches.