* Moving box within diagram

[MarionWoolgar]

I have looked through the various articles re moving Boxes & Bars within diagrams, but I can't find the information to solve my particular problem. I am running Family Historian version 6.2.7 within Windows 10.

I have prepared an All Ancestors Chart & then stopped-off lines that I do not want to display by deleting the expansion buttons. This has left me with a problem. I have a son, Joseph Henry WOOLGAR who is depicted twice. This was because, once I had made my adjustments, there wasn't room to include his spouse plus her 2nd husband in the space provided. I therefore moved Joseph's sister along the generation line to the far side, to provide the space to show Joseph in the correct position. However, try as I might, I cannot move the box containing his detailed information into the correct position on the Chart. I have tried every possibility within the Moving/Resizing box & that doesn't work. I have tried moving one of the boxes backwards & the other forwards, but nothing seems to work. Can someone help me please?

I am attaching a screen print showing the problem. I want to move the box marked with a blue arrow into the position on the Chart marked with a red arrow.

[tatewise]

I don't think that is possible because the orange box is a Proxy box.
You can hide that Proxy box but cannot move anything into that position.
The same applies to Henry James WOOLGAR just below.

Have you tried a different Diagram Root such as his parents Joseph Cornelia WOOLGAR & Henrieta BARNES?
Select them both or their Family record as the Diagram Root and you may be in luck.

[MarionWoolgar]

Many thanks, Mike. After struggling with the problem for several hours, I thought that I might be aiming for the impossible. Chapter 10 of the Manual continually stresses how everything is possible because the trees are "Smart" & that Boxes jump to get out of the way when the Movement Control Box is in operation, so I thought I was missing something.

Yes, I think that your suggestion may well be a solution to the problem & I'll try that later today.

[LornaCraig]

I think the problem with Mike's suggestion of using Joseph's parents as the diagram root is that the diagram will not then include the second husband of Joseph's wife, and her child by that second husband.

With the exception of that wife's second marriage, it looks as if all the lines which you have "stopped off", as you put it, are female ancestral lines and you are primarily displaying only the male Woolgar lines. In that scenario the best approach is to use a Descendants diagram with the earliest known male Woolgar ancestor as the diagram root. That will produce a better layout and save the need to close off a lot of branches and rearrange much of the diagram. However, like Mike's suggestion, it will still have the drawback of not including Joseph's wife's second marriage. That would need to be inserted afterwards as an extra mini-tree, using Diagram>Insert into Diagram>Descendant tree with the wife as the root, and you would need to move Joseph's sister to the right again to make space for the extra tree in the right place.

Alternatively, simply hide the proxy boxes using Diagram options > Proxies tab. That will remove the upper of the two boxes for Joseph, although I don't think you will be able to move his main box any further up.

[MarionWoolgar]

Thank you for your advice Lorna. Fortunately, I prepared this Chart to trace the Woolgar male line for the purpose of being able to compare Y-DNA results and that is why I stopped-off all ancestors on the female line. In this particular case, I also didn't need to show the 2nd marriage of Charlotte Gibbs or her son from that marriage, because they had no Woolgar ancestry, but there was no expansion button to use in that instance. Therefore, following Mike's advice didn't cause me any problems on this occasion.

However, you are quite right that there may be occasions when I would wish to show all the details of all ancestors (male & female) and then following a similar procedure wouldn't meet the case, as you suggest. Since writing my original post, I have discovered the ability never to use proxy boxes within Diagram Options and that certainly helps with the problem as originally described. However, despite making sure that the "Save as default" box is ticked, the program only saves it as a default in that particular Chart & not making it a default for all Charts within the same Project Folder, as its name implies. That was a bit of a disappointment as I will now have to remember it whenever I do an All Relatives Chart.
Thanks again,
Marion Woolgar

[tatewise]

The 'Save as Default' option only applies to standard working Diagrams created from scratch in ALL Projects.
The whole point of Custom Diagram Types and Saved FH Charts is that all the Diagram Options are preserved.
Otherwise, they would not serve much purpose if 'Save as Default' changed any or all of those Options.

[LornaCraig]

I also didn't need to show the 2nd marriage of Charlotte Gibbs or her son from that marriage, because they had no Woolgar ancestry, but there was no expansion button to use in that instance.

Her second husband and son could be hidden by selecting the husband, right-clicking and choosing Hide.

[MarionWoolgar]

Thank you Mike, that makes perfect sense now that you have explained it.

Thanks also to Lorna. I did try hiding boxes & moving them backwards or forwards at the time, but it didn't solve my problem, probably because I was concentrating on the proxy box at the time. Thanks for reminding me about the right-click option, I'll make a note in my book about that - for next time!

Marion