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Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 28 Dec 2020 01:16

Ok - I played around today with creating my own citation template. Mostly it worked, however, I can't figure out what the punctuation parameters are. At the end of some fields, FH places a period, while at the end of others, a semi-colon. Is there any way for me to define what FH does?

I've uploaded two screencaps. One is my template, while the other is the finished citation. I want to be able to put a colon after the word citing, but FH has insisted on a semi-colon.

Any hints?

Thanks...I have to admit, overall, I'm very impressed with the template builder.

Teresa

ETA: I have already amended a little as I noticed some errors, however, I still can't figure out that punctuation.
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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 28 Dec 2020 09:56

Does putting a colon after register details in the footnote definition not work? I'm away from my PC at the moment, so can't try it.

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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by dhwalt » 28 Dec 2020 12:00

There are lots of variations that you can build into a custom template to better handle text, punctuation, missing data items...
Below a simple first step, which I have not tried, as a starting point:

{Type}. {Country}. {Place}. {Date}. {Name}; {register_details}; <citing: {Original_source}>. {Collection}. {Online_Repository}. <acc: {access_date}>

Example <...> and missing Original_Source data then citing: will not print. The enclosing <> can include one or more terms.

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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 28 Dec 2020 17:16

Thank you so much for the tip! I've little experience working with these templates, so now I know to enclose in sideways brackets, I can work on it.

Really appreciate the tip :)

Teresa

dhwalt wrote:
28 Dec 2020 12:00
There are lots of variations that you can build into a custom template to better handle text, punctuation, missing data items...
Below a simple first step, which I have not tried, as a starting point:

{Type}. {Country}. {Place}. {Date}. {Name}; {register_details}; <citing: {Original_source}>. {Collection}. {Online_Repository}. <acc: {access_date}>

Example <...> and missing Original_Source data then citing: will not print. The enclosing <> can include one or more terms.
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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 28 Dec 2020 17:52

Thanks, Helen. I did try that and it didn't work. The solution below, however, did.

Now I have one template down, I can clone and create all the others I need :)

Really appreciate all the help I get here in this forum.

I did, however, have one more question. I prefer my dates to be 02 Feb 1806, yet I FH automatically expands the month to its full version. I can't seem to find anywhere in the preferences to reset that. Is this possible? If not, it's not a huge deal breaker.

Thanks again!

Teresa
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28 Dec 2020 09:56
Does putting a colon after register details in the footnote definition not work? I'm away from my PC at the moment, so can't try it.
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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 28 Dec 2020 17:52

That definitely worked!!! Thank you sooo much!! :D

Teresa

dhwalt wrote:
28 Dec 2020 12:00
There are lots of variations that you can build into a custom template to better handle text, punctuation, missing data items...
Below a simple first step, which I have not tried, as a starting point:

{Type}. {Country}. {Place}. {Date}. {Name}; {register_details}; <citing: {Original_source}>. {Collection}. {Online_Repository}. <acc: {access_date}>

Example <...> and missing Original_Source data then citing: will not print. The enclosing <> can include one or more terms.
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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by dhwalt » 29 Dec 2020 13:34

When you develop these custom templates then you may find mystery blanks spaces appearing. A tip for 2021 enclose the statement with <> to suppress blank space creation i.e.

<{Type}. {Country}. {Place}. {Date}. {Name}; {register_details}; <citing: {Original_source}>. {Collection}. {Online_Repository}. <acc: {access_date}>>

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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 29 Dec 2020 15:14

Thanks for the additional info! I really appreciate your help :)

Teresa
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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by dhwalt » 30 Dec 2020 10:07

Teresa,
"...I did, however, have one more question. I prefer my dates to be 02 Feb 1806, yet I FH automatically expands the month to its full version. I can't seem to find anywhere in the preferences to reset that. Is this possible? If not, it's not a huge deal breaker..."

Your dates will have Type - Date which will auto expand as you note above. Convenient for date entry and it can be changed but in a basic manner and with downsides. In the Source Template Definition (Custom/Editable) window double click on your date field and the Source Template Field Definition dialogue will open. Change Type to Text and OK to close then Save. You then have your date in whatever format you want as text BUT lose auto expand i.e. qualifiers like {Your_Date:YEAR} etc etc. You would also have to re-enter all dates wherever the template has been used.

Help > Source Template Formats is a good place to start.

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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 30 Dec 2020 17:04

Thanks :) That makes sense. In the end it's not a huge deal, just that, as I understand it standard genealogy entry criteria are for the date to be presented as 10 Feb 1901, not 10 February 1901.

Teresa

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Teresa,
"...I did, however, have one more question. I prefer my dates to be 02 Feb 1806, yet I FH automatically expands the month to its full version. I can't seem to find anywhere in the preferences to reset that. Is this possible? If not, it's not a huge deal breaker..."

Your dates will have Type - Date which will auto expand as you note above. Convenient for date entry and it can be changed but in a basic manner and with downsides. In the Source Template Definition (Custom/Editable) window double click on your date field and the Source Template Field Definition dialogue will open. Change Type to Text and OK to close then Save. You then have your date in whatever format you want as text BUT lose auto expand i.e. qualifiers like {Your_Date:YEAR} etc etc. You would also have to re-enter all dates wherever the template has been used.

Help > Source Template Formats is a good place to start.
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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by tatewise » 30 Dec 2020 17:36

FYI: FH does use the standard GEDCOM format 10 FEB 1901 internally.
Mike Tate ~ researching the Tate and Scott family history ~ tatewise ancestry

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Re: Custom citation template question...

Post by fhtess65 » 30 Dec 2020 18:12

Ah...I'm just used to entering dates in that format everywhere and prefer to have dates presented that way in reports. But, in the end, it's not a huge deal. And now I know to use a text rather than a date field if I want to have it seen that way in reports etc.

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30 Dec 2020 17:36
FYI: FH does use the standard GEDCOM format 10 FEB 1901 internally.
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