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Alternate and Alternative

Post by Scousemouse » 29 Jan 2023 12:58

This is just a tiny request which relates to the Names & Titles feature (e.g., use of a.k.a.). Could you change the wording from the incorrect American usage of 'alternate' to 'alternative' please? The name Anne is an alternative to Ann. It is not an alternate.

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 29 Jan 2023 13:21

Why is it wrong just because it's American usage?

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by KFN » 29 Jan 2023 15:09

I’m not sure that the word use is an “American” thing, rather it is how the words are normally used.

alternate’ as a verb, to go back and forth from one state to another. A ‘substitute’. An action.

‘alternative’ is a noun, to have an ‘option’. Could be an adjective, to describe something.

Yes, “ The name Anne is an alternative to Ann” but she can “alternate between using Anne and Ann”!

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 29 Jan 2023 15:33

The OED has 'alternate' as an alternative (or alternate) to 'alternative'. Most commonly used in the States, yes, but acceptable English English.

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Post by Robert Jacobs » 29 Jan 2023 17:27

The Chicago Manual of Style, which is the Bible in my world, is silent on alternate/alternative, but Dreyer’s English (the Book of Common Prayer as it were) tells us that, “strictly speaking, an alternate is a thing that replaces a thing, and alternatives — which travel in packs, or at least pairs — are options, any one of which might be viable. That is, if owing to an accident I’m forced off the road in Connecticut and must find my way to Boston via Pawtucket, I’m mandated to travel an alternate route, but on another day, should I opt to make my way to Boston on local streets rather than highways, I am simply choosing an alternative route.”

Think alternate identity: Bruce Wayne & Batman, Percy Blakeney & the Scarlet Pimpernel.

In the FH7 context, "alternative" may be the better choice, especially if one is dealing with immigrant generations with multiple name variants.

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 29 Jan 2023 17:46

Merriam Webster has (as one of a number of meanings for) alternate: constituting an alternative.

I think my fundamental question is: why does a word have to be changed because the way it's used is unfamiliar to some users (we can't know how many) based on geography?

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by Robert Jacobs » 29 Jan 2023 19:02

It doesn't need to be changed, esp in this instance where the meaning is clear on both sides of the ocean.

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by KFN » 29 Jan 2023 20:35

Robert Jacobs wrote:
29 Jan 2023 19:02
It doesn't need to be changed, esp in this instance where the meaning is clear on both sides of the ocean.
Exactly correct!

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Re: Alternate and Alternative

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 03 Jun 2023 13:39

Closed for lack of support.

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