* Creation of Greek language pack

[rhodian]

Reposting FB post as advised...

I'm in the process of creating a Greek translation pack for FH. I've looked at the associated help files and think that I have a good grasp on how it works.
Having worked on translating a single Publish report, I am a little confused as the report translation appears to be constructed using a combination of Translation table entries and Fact definition formatting and translations. I find that some fact/phrase translation is done using the Translation tables only which I find limited and inflexible. Fact definition translations however are logic driven and can be used on a myriad of different phrases to produce grammatically correct translations.
Do I have my wires crossed on how translations work? Anyone know if the translation can be performed using only Fact definitions?

[Jane]

For best results you might need to use a combination of the two. If you don't use a Translation plugin as well you will end up with some stock phrases.

Don't forget to work through the plugin code as well as the simple tables, that is where the "best" conversions happen.

If you have feedback on things you can't translate using the tables and the plugin it is worth rasing a ticket with Calico and see if they can suggest a work around. If you have not already read https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help ... epack.html it is well worth working through in detail.

[tatewise]

I found it helpful to review the other Language Packs and their associated Plugins to see how they used the features.

The Fact Definition Language Variant... features only apply to Narrative Reports and not other Reports.

[rhodian]

Thanks Jane for the quick response...

The main issues are:

1. There must always be a definite article before every Greek proper name
2. There must be a gender-independent preposition before place names

For best results you might need to use a combination of the two. If you don't use a Translation plugin as well you will end up with some stock phrases.

If you are referring to lang.fh_lua then yes, I have modified it as required.

Don't forget to work through the plugin code as well as the simple tables, that is where the "best" conversions happen.

If you have feedback on things you can't translate using the tables and the plugin it is worth rasing a ticket with Calico and see if they can suggest a work around. If you have not already read https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help ... epack.html it is well worth working through in detail.

I have read the help article, it is the reason I have gotten as far as I have. Translations using the miscellaneous table do not produce grammatically correct sentences i.e.

she

married

{individual} (spouse's name)

are translated together to create a sentence/phrase but it is not grammatically correct.

I've tried functions such as

{=sex(...)}

in the To column of the Miscellaneous table and they do not appear to work.

It will probably be quicker and easier to work through Calico support, thank you once again for your help...

[rhodian]

I found it helpful to review the other Language Packs and their associated Plugins to see how they used the features.

I've briefly looked at the French language pack, I may need to have a closer look.

The Fact Definition Language Variant... features only apply to Narrative Reports and not other Reports.

I did not know that, thanks (I think?)... Looks like I'll need to contact Calico Pie about what can be done using the Miscellaneous table and the lang.fh_lua file

[tatewise]

The Tools > Language Pack features offer translation of words and phrases in several contexts:

• Attribute Values of Attribute facts
• Place names held in Place records
• Miscellaneous ~ words in Reports, etc
• Citation Text

Maybe you have not found the Help and Samples regarding Language Pack Plugins. i.e. lang.fh_lua files.
See Tools > Plugins > More >> How to Write Plugins, explore Special Plugin Types > Language Plugins & Report Plugins.
If you have imported Language Packs then there will be several Language Pack Plugin ... versions listed with Samples.

To be more specific, the Fact Definition Language Variant... features only provide Sentence Template translations for facts.
The Langauge Pack and Plugin translate the other components of Narrative Reports as well as other Reports, etc.

[rhodian]

The Tools > Language Pack features offer translation of words and phrases in several contexts:

• Attribute Values of Attribute facts
• Place names held in Place records
• Miscellaneous ~ words in Reports, etc
• Citation Text

Maybe you have not found the Help and Samples regarding Language Pack Plugins. i.e. lang.fh_lua files.
See Tools > Plugins > More >> How to Write Plugins, explore Special Plugin Types > Language Plugins & Report Plugins.
If you have imported Language Packs then there will be several Language Pack Plugin ... versions listed with Samples.

To be more specific, the Fact Definition Language Variant... features only provide Sentence Template translations for facts.
The Langauge Pack and Plugin translate the other components of Narrative Reports as well as other Reports, etc.

Thanks Mike, I found the samples but not the Help! I'll work my way through it...