Family Historian User Group

Hi Mike

Sorry for the delay, I had no laptop until now. Sorry yes request 1 should also apply to Marriage and Death indexes. I think think the Name for Marriage should apply to both parties. Husband and Wife. The plug already checks for multiple Marriages and asks the user to choose which one.

I think the Name(Names if a Marriage) should be the Primary name only. Alternatives then handled by the user.

Dates I was thinking along the lines of what is handled already. Examples, Q3 1893, March 2005, etc.

Death indexes can also support the Birth fact but perhaps let the user decide if the Citation should be copied there also.

Many Thanks

David

Hi Mike to further clarify the Marriage citation. Both Individual Primary Names, and yes the Family Marriage Event.

See Attached Image.

Many thanks

David

I think the attached Add GRO Source plugin version 1.3.1 dated 25 Feb 2020 should work OK.
[ EDIT: Attachment deleted as superseded by later attachments. ]
It has several tweaks:
The initial dialogue requesting GRO BMD Index Sources has been revised to allow one generic GRO Index Source for all types, or 3 separate sources for GRO Birth, Marriage & Death.
The whole of the Add GRO Entry dialogue has been revamped with revised prompts and tooltip popups.
The lower seven options are now 'sticky' (they were always meant to be but a small bug prevented that).

Hi Mike. Sounds fantastic. I'll put it through its paces this evening and report back

Thank you very much

David Potter

Hi Mike

Absolutely spot on. Thank you very much; that has saved a lot of manual copy paste and additional editing.

Kind regards

David Potter

David, could you run some testing with as many varied option combinations as possible please.

You could use the FH Sample Project that has three suitable GRO Index Source records.
Either use Edit > Undo Plugin Updates or reset the FH Sample Project afterwards.

Are the tooltip popups helpful and could they be improved?

Take a look at the Add GRO Event to an Individual (no source) Plugin.
It has some interesting features that might roll up into this Add GRO Source plugin.
e.g. Overwrites imprecise Dates with Quarter Date, uses Event Notes instead of Citations.

Hi Mike Sorry only just saw this post. I'll test further as you suggest.

Kind regards David

Hi Mike

I have finished extensive testing and can't identify any issues. Undo and Redo all work fine. The Tips work and look fine. The only comment from me would be to change the Field Description for GRO Index Reference to be GRO Index Reference/Names to better indicate this is where the Individuals Name can be placed to make this a little more obvious. I guess text formatting this combined field would be up to the user.

Re the other GRO Plug-In: I looked into this and personally I would prefer not to use the Notes option, therefore preferring the Citation (No Source) over Notes. And so leaving the ability to attach Media to the Citation if required. Re the option to overwrite inconsistent Dates. I found this quite intriguing and interesting at first but most of my Dates are based on some rational that I would want preserved and not overwritten, however; appreciating there is some logic as to what it will overwrite or leave as is. That's me I guess.

Thank again for your help Mike

Changing GRO Index field description is no problem.

The Notes only option would be just that, an option.
It could be chosen in the initial dialogue, where the three Source records are selected.

Also, overwriting imprecise Dates would be an option similar to the Set Citation Entry Date option.
There might be choices such as None, Year Only, Inexact Only, etc, and chosen on each use.
None would not overwrite existing Event Date.
Year Only would only overwrite Event Date if it involved just a year or two years.
Inexact Only would only overwrite Event Date if it was not an exact simple date with day & month & year.

Hi Mike

I see - I'll leave it to you to decide wether to integrate the two Plug-In's. I can see some merit in what you describe. Also makes sense to have only one Plug-In covering all options.

BR

David

The attached Add GRO Source plugin version 1.3.2 date 04 Mar 2020 has options to integrate the Add GRO Event plugin.
[ EDIT: Attachment deleted as superseded by later attachments. ]

Put GRO Index Date in Event Date when: sets criteria for overwriting the Event Date.
The default of No Event Date behaves as before and only writes the GRO Index Date if no Event Date.
Year Only Event Date causes the Event Date to be overwritten if no day or month is mentioned.
Inexact Event Date causes the Event Date to be overwritten only if no day is mentioned.

Select Citation Reference Field: offers Where within Source & Text From Source as before but also Event Note Only.
In that latter case no Citation is added at all, and the GRO Index Reference is added to the Event local Note.

Initially, when selecting the BMD Sources the warning messages when 0 or 2 Sources are chosen have been revised to allow a Retry, and for 0 Sources to Ignore and use the new Event Note Only option or add the Source Record Id later.

Thank you Mike. I'll test it out

BR
David

This plugin is one of my most frequently used (I have it on my Tools menu). As it is not in the Plugin Store is there a schedule for updating it to V7?

Thanks,

Graham

It is a little complicated.
The original plugin is in the Plugin Store as Add a General Record Office Source and optionally Event although its Plugin/Filename is Add GRO Source and its Author is Jane Taubman, so I cannot update it.

However, the changes needed to run in FH V7 are probably minimal so I have attached an updated version.
Please thoroughly test it out before use on your master Project.
[ EDIT: Attachment deleted as superseded by a later attachment. ]

Thanks Mike.

Looking back I see now, effectively this is a fork hence why you have been updating and attaching to this thread. Perhaps it could just be added to the store as a 'new' plugin?

Graham

Sorry Mike it didn't work with me.
I got a message saying
Please select just one Generic GRO index source or 3 sources in the order of Birth, marriage and death
Haven't a clue what to do
Victor

I think it is in the text for the Plug-In that you have to create 3 x Generic Sources and tag them when using the Plug-In.

That didn't happen with me.
In V6 it opened an option to chose which B M or D
Victor

What do you get with Version 7?

When I opened the updated plugin it picked up the three sources I had been using in version 6.

Graham

So it's working for you Graham?

This is designed for Method 2 'lumper' Source Citations for BMD GRO Index entries.
The plugin assumes you already have either one generic GRO Index source record or three separate GRO Birth Index, GRO Marriage Index & GRO Death Index source records as in the Family Historian Sample Project.
When it asks Please select just one Generic GRO index source or 3 sources in the order of Birth, Marriage and Death click OK and choose your source record(s).
Thereafter, they will be remembered and you just fill in the requested details for each new Citation.

I'll hand over to you Mike.

David, yes it does.

Mike's last description is exactly how I use it. I have three "collector" sources one each for B, M & D. I have used it a long time like this as BMD data from the indexes is so readily available.

Graham

Good to hear it is working now.

David