* Export Gedcom File with Full v Brief option

[tatewise]

The attached Export Gedcom File Plugin ZIP file Version 3.2.8 Date 29 Jun 2017 adds some new features. [Now Deleted]

In response to requests for minimal data in exported Gedcom, especially for web sites such as Ancestry and FindMyPast there is a now a (+) Full Data versus (-) Brief Data option that adjusts the export rules appropriately.
The (+) Full Data mode includes comprehensive data in the Gedcom as in earlier versions.
The (-) Brief Data mode removes data such as FH custom tags that often produce multiple Notes in the target product.
The Extra Options tab shows what rules have been selected, but they can be changed independently for the two modes.

The (Min) Minimum GEDCOM 5.5 option has been dropped as it is now (Std) Standard GEDCOM 5.5 in (-) Brief Data mode.
Similarly for the GEDCOM Draft 5.5.1 options.

The following export modes have been added or updated:
(FST) Family Search Family Tree
(FMP) FindMyPast Family Tree
(GWC) GEDmill Website Creator

[ronk]

Mike,

Perhaps should have left well enough alone. I put 3.2.8 in place, ran it, and did a full file compare to 3.2.4 and found many duplicate local Notes similar to what I think was experienced before 3.2.4. I then reran 3.2.4, and it runs extremely slow so I suspended it. It changed my 3.2.4 settings from FILE~REL to PART~LMO so will run again.

Well, changing to FILE~REL, getting numerous 'cannot untidy' popups for places, so will have to check settings on other screens as well.

Ron

[ronk]

Mike,

Have been using FILE~REL, with TNG. Getting so many conflicting 'conflicting place names' popups with 3.2.4 that will have to kill the plugin I think.

Ron

[ronk]

Using the TNG option, upon closer inspection...it appears that 3.2.4 was already outputting the duplicate notes, but TNG was/is ignoring them so it went unnoticed. I shall try falling back to v3.2.3, which had resolved (I think) that issue for me.

Will report back.

Update: Apparently, in 3.2.4, TNG was ignoring all but the first NOTE for a media link, but now is not because the CONT has replaced the NOTE on the duplicate (additional uses) of the media and all duplicates appear on all persons the photo is linked to.

I shall restore my settings for just this plugin from before installed 3.2.8, since now even 3.2.4 is giving me the CONT and TNG taking the replication is one long note on each assigned media (photo).

3.2.4 before and after install of 3.2.8
0 @O1510@ OBJE
1 FILE Media\photos\P195x Krzmarzick,jeromeB children7.jpg
2 TITL Jerome and Adele (Schroepfer) Krzmarzick children
2 FORM jpg
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
.....the following TNG ignored/skipped or overlayed each successive one so display only one (good).
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo


0 @O1510@ OBJE
1 FILE Media\photos\P195x Krzmarzick,jeromeB children7.jpg
2 TITL Jerome and Adele (Schroepfer) Krzmarzick children
2 FORM jpg
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
.....TNG repeats in the display
2 CONT front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
2 CONT front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo

[tatewise]

There are a number of points.

When upgrading V3.2.4 to V3.2.8 the settings will be inherited for Full Data mode for TNG.
But on going back to V3.2.4 the settings will revert to defaults.
(Technical explanation: This is because they were held against TNG that are auto-updated to TNG+ for Full Data mode, with TNG- for Brief Data mode, but when going back there is no longer any TNG settings so they revert to defaults.)

I cannot detect any difference in the Tidy Place names process between the two versions, with the same settings.
(But your experience does indicate a need for an escape Cancel button in the dialogue.)
I am surprised that there would be so many similar Place names in your data that only differ in their commas & spaces.

I cannot detect any difference in the Media NOTE/CONT exported Gedcom between the two versions, with the same settings.
The multiple Caption Note scenario has been discussed before and seemed to be acceptable last time, but I added the Avoid Repeat Captions option anyway, although since you have multi-line captions I don't think that will help.
V3.2.2 exports Media NOTE/CONT similar to your 1st example, but V3.2.3 onward all export the 2nd example.

[ronk]

Mike,

Whew, I will try to sift thru your remarks/points, .. but.just trying to get to where I was before I tried v3.2.8. The NOTE/CONT was being output with repeated NOTE/CONT but I didn't notice since TNG only resulted in one instance (OK). When I setup v3.2.4 again, I was now getting the CONT/CONT repeat, and TNG results in one long multi-line note of repeated information.

So....will have to do more testing of settings, since of course, wish to have the newest v3.2.8 (and 3.3) working for me....(Sigh, I hadn't done a settings backup since June 2.) Hopefully LFT export is not an issue for me but haven't updated that database since v3.2.3.

Ron

[ronk]

V3.2.2 exports Media NOTE/CONT similar to your 1st example, but V3.2.3 onward all export the 2nd example.

Somehow I need to get back to the first example, and I know that I was outputting NOTE/CONT in v3.2.4, but cannot seem to get back to it. Without that effect, any media objects assigned to multiple persons become one long note for all in TNG.

I'm scratching my head on this one.

Totally stumped...I know just exported with v3.2.4 yesterday morning to tng sites (Wamp,Live,and 2 Test) and those gedcoms have the NOTE/CONT for the repeated captions noted above and worked fine..but unable to get it working again. My export from FH is stalled until I resolve this. May have to try v3.2 from April and work forward.

[ronk]

Mike,

I thought the Export Gedcom settings were in the Export Gedcom.dat file, but the file contains almost nothing;
return {
-- Table: {1}
{
["Balloon"]="YES",
},
}

Are the settings in a different file? In fact that's all any of the .dat files contain in C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Plugin Data\ folder. Or cannot they be viewed with an editor (hex view even).

[tatewise]

We discussed that before when you made the same mistake. (See Re: Export Gedcom ASID tag Errors in LFT.)

If your Project name is say Example then the Plugin settings are in:
...\Documents\Family Historian Projects\Example\Example.fh_data\Plugin Data\Export Gedcom File.dat

In other words the Plugin Data folder is a sibling of the Media folder holding the Media files.

Those settings are unique to each Project and are saved as part of any Project Full/Medium Backup.

[ronk]

OK, Mike, don't rub it in.

I use 'everything' , a Windows program to find all instances of a filename any part of a filename across all or any directories. I missed that one .dat file at the end of the list, size 19k. Will find the backup of it (from an image backup yesterday) and retry v3.2.4, which you claim doesn't do the NOTE/CONT vs. CONT/CONT, but I insist it was. These notes are multi-line , but only 2 lines, not 2*the nbr of persons it is assigned to.

[ronk]

OK...so I restored the correct dat file, and ran v3.2.4, and got this, which works in TNG in spite of the replication, because of the separate NOTE lines.

0 @O1510@ OBJE
1 FILE Media\photos\P195x Krzmarzick,jeromeB children7.jpg
2 TITL Jerome and Adele (Schroepfer) Krzmarzick children
2 FORM jpg
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo
1 NOTE front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
2 CONT middle: Patricia, Michelle
2 CONT back: Adele, Mary Jo

But, if I install v3.2.8, I will next have CONT/CONT and one big note. So the following appears inaccurate?

V3.2.2 exports Media NOTE/CONT similar to your 1st example, but V3.2.3 onward all export the 2nd example.

But more importantly..how am I to straighten this out so I can use Export Gedcom v3.2.8 ( v3.3 when it is released)?

[tatewise]

There must be some logical explanation.
I will double-check my claims.

Can you double-check you are running Plugin V3.2.4.
It should say Export Gedcom File 3.2.4 at the top of its main window.
It will also have a Label Options tab.
In Tools > Plugins select the Plugin and check the Details Provided by Plugin below.
Version: 3.2.4 Last Updated: 06 Jun 2017

Having run the Plugin use the Windows Notepad option to view the Gedcom file and check its contents.

Make sure the Export folder is where you think it should be.
Check the Date Modified on exported Gedcom files.

[ronk]

If it helps any, Here's the FH side of things for this media record, assigned to all members of a family:

Screenshot (997).jpg (115.87 KiB) Viewed 14441 times

[ronk]

There must be some logical explanation.
I will double-check my claims.

Can you double-check you are running Plugin V3.2.4.
It should say Export Gedcom File 3.2.4 at the top of its main window.
It will also have a Label Options tab.
In Tools > Plugins select the Plugin and check the Details Provided by Plugin below.
Version: 3.2.4 Last Updated: 06 Jun 2017

Having run the Plugin use the Windows Notepad option to view the Gedcom file and check its contents.

Make sure the Export folder is where you think it should be.
Check the Date Modified on exported Gedcom files.

Did all of those things Mike. I use RJ TextEd to inspect Gedcoms, and BeyondCompare to compare Gedcoms as well.

Ron

[tatewise]

I think I've found the explanation, and we are both correct to some degree.
It is related to how the default settings are applied.

When going through developing evolving export rules, as a matter of habit I often reset the Extra Options tab settings.
Only when the final version is ready do I check that the rules update correctly from the previous Plugin Store version.
With the above tactics, even V3.2.1 produces a single NOTE plus CONT tags, as do all subsequent versions.

Unfortunately, in this Plugin, if the Plugin Store V3.2 settings are never reset through all the development versions V3.2.1 to V3.2.4 then the inherited settings do result in multiple NOTE/CONT tags as you are experiencing.

Until that is V3.2.8 that adjusts the rules automatically, with respect to any previous version, to produce a single NOTE plus CONT tags, as would be the case for anyone upgrading from V3.2 to V3.3.

I am sorry, that the above scenario has lead to us working with different Gedcom formats.

However, in my defence, the plugins:help:export_gedcom_file:output_media_style|> Export Gedcom File ~ Output Media Style has always described the Notes as working that way.

As an experiment, if you could make your Captions fit on a single line, then the Avoid Repeat Captions option should eliminate the repetition. If that is still unsatisfactory, I could make that option look at the entire multi-line Caption and remove the repetitions.

[ronk]

Mike,
I will test a single line, but remember, the caption is only 2-lines for the photo; the rest are generated as local notes to each of the persons to whom the photo is assigned. I don't see how one line vs. two lines will effect the others, e.g., a 7 member family will have 2*7 lines or a 14 line note instead of 2.

Will report back. One correction; there are 3 lines to the link/note for each person with this media assigned. In order to combine, I need to go to each member of the family and modify the link/note for each. And for the entire database, well, I don't even want to think of doing it manually. Strangely TNG handled the duplicate Notes since assumed just one Note permitted per Media item, I guess.

[tatewise]

Referring to your recent screenshot of the Media Window, each Link/Note text in "quotes" is what I call the Caption and is repeated 8 times.

I call it the Caption because in FH it is associated with the Media tab Use Note as Caption option that places that Link/Note under the photo as a Caption.

So all 8 Link/Note "quoted" Captions must be identical and on one line to be removed by the Avoid Repeat Captions option.

I am not expecting you to alter the entire database, just a few examples to prove the principle.

Then, as I said: "I could make that option look at the entire multi-line Caption and remove the repetitions." in order to cope with your style of Link/Note Captions.

Most products ignore multiple instances of NOTE tags wherever they occur, and other tags too sometimes.
I know at least one product that does not allow multiple instances of the same Event tag such as CENSus or OCCUpation or RESIdence!

[ronk]

Yes, that eliminates the repetition,

I hope you can see why preserving the multi-line is important to me.

Having this:
front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen;middle: Patricia, Michelle;back: Adele, Mary Jo

, doesn't stand out as well as this:
front: Ann, Cheryl, Kathleen
middle: Patricia, Michelle
back: Adele, Mary Jo

So if you could remove the duplicate multi-line captions, leaving just one instance, by enhancing the 'avoid repeat captions' tick box, that keep things working for me as they were in v3.2.4 (and future versions!).

Ron

[jbtapscott]

Have been trying the "Brief" option and uploading result to FMP. (NB Given issues already discussed, I have not attempted bulk load of media).

When comparing the tree produced in FMP to one I generated a few weeks ago using an earlier version of the Export plugin, I have not found any issues so far. That said, I don't use a number of the items listed with "Remove Entirely" in the Extra Options tab (e.g. Website, Phone, Email, To/From Place) but those I do use (e.g. Witness Roles) produced the expected results - viz. they were not in the tree on FMP.

I'll carry on tests on the next few days (including use of the "Full" option, but at the moment my gut feel is that ultimately I will not be using the FMP Family Tree - I don't particularly like the layout, there seem to be a complete lack of "Help" (which makes me think FMP are not overly interested in it either!), and some pieces of data are not getting through (e.g. the Note [& other] fields on Source records are in the Gedcom but do not make it in to the relevant fields on the Fact / Source). I plan on raising the last point with their customer services but given my experiences with them over the last month I am not expecting much!.

[tatewise]

Thank you Brent and Ron for your assistance.

The attached Export Gedcom File Plugin ZIP file Version 3.2.9 Date 30 Jun 2017 adds further features. [Now Deleted]

Ron, the Avoid Repeat Captions option now reviews each multi-line Link/Note Caption and removes duplicates.

The Tidy Places & Addresses option when Place Records are retained offers a new feature.
If a Place name conflict is detected, then a warning popup message is produced as before.
If OK is chosen, the Plugin continues and may report further conflicts and eventually will export the Gedcom file.
If Cancel is chosen, the Plugin continues to review Place names without warnings and eventually provides a Result Set of all conflicting Place names.

[ronk]

You are a true Wizard, Mike. Gave v3.2.9 a test and imported to TNG. Looks very good so far.

Thank you!


Update: did more extensive testing, and v3.2.9 (the fruit of the export, that is) is leaving TNG WAMPserver and going LIVE today.

Thanks again.

Ron

[ronk]

Mike,

Export Gedcom 3.2.9 LFT option: I hadn't exported to LFT in awhile, but, unfortunately the duplicated caption link/notes are present there as well. Any chance the same TNG fix could be applied to LFT as well?

Also, a another, lessor point, another difference in the LFT output:

LFT:
1 EVEN
2 TYPE Military
2 NOTE Attribute Value: ww2, field artillery
(the text Attribute Value is actually displaying alongside the value .

Screenshot (1004).jpg (14.07 KiB) Viewed 14283 times

TNG:
1 EVEN ww2, field artillery
2 TYPE Military

If the EVEN output was like TNG option, then LFT displays it properly. Unless I have an LFT option to set differently, will check.

Ron

[tatewise]

Ron, the caption note fix should work for any export providing the Extra Options tab Avoid Repeat Captions option is ticked.
If that still does not work, please post more details of the Gedcom exported tags, and a screenshot of the Media object in FH.

At your request I added the Label Options tab in which you can reduce the Attribute Value label to nothing.

You could also try the Extra Options tab Custom Attribute 1 _ATTR set to Custom Fact & Value like TNG (instead of Custom Fact & Note).

Let me know if that works well, because I thought when I last tried LFT it did not accept that TNG format of:
1 EVEN ww2, field artillery
2 TYPE Military

[ronk]

Mike,

All is good now with LFT. I should have compared ALL option settings for TNG to LFT before posting and bothering you. The 'remove repeated captions' ticked worked, as did setting the Extra Options tab Custom Attribute 1 _ATTR set to Custom Fact & Value.

LFT accepted this:
1 EVEN ww2, field artillery
2 TYPE Military

So now Export Gedcom v 3.2.9 options for both TNG and LFT are working for me.

BTW..I don't recall requesting this:

At your request I added the Label Options tab in which you can reduce the Attribute Value label to nothing.

Many Thanks!

[tatewise]

Ron, I have updated to Legacy 9 and confirm that Custom Attribute 1 _ATTR set to Custom Fact & Value works well and will become the default in the next Plugin version.

Ron, you wanted to eliminate the Media Note labels for Caption Note and Picture Note, etc.
(Also Helen I think wanted other labels adjusting.)
So I implemented the Label Options tab as a generalised solution.
I know you use it, because the GEDCOM snippets you posted earlier omit those labels.