* Export GEDcom plugin -- some questions

[ColeValleyGirl]

Thanks Mike. That works as an export for the Family Notes but GedSite sppears to be only importing the first Note under the FAM NOTE fact. I'll take this up with John Cardinal, but how easy is it to produce one Fam Note for each Note?

Current situation:

FH Gedcom:

@F55@ FAM
1 HUSB @I2@
1 WIFE @I142@
<snip>
1 _STAT Unmarried Couple
<snip>
1 NOTE test marriage note for dummy spouse
1 NOTE Another shared note for the family with dummy spouse

and

@F1@ FAM
<snip>
1 HUSB @I2@
1 WIFE @I3@
<snip>
1 NOTE Marriage note for AMJ
1 NOTE Shared not with AMJ
2 CONT

is exported as

1 EVEN
2 TYPE Fam Note
2 NOTE test marriage note for dummy spouse
3 CONT Marriage Status: Unmarried Couple
2 NOTE Another shared note for the family with dummy spouse

and

1 EVEN
2 TYPE Fam Note
2 NOTE Marriage note for AMJ
2 NOTE Shared not with AMJ
3 CONT

which appears in GedSite as:

Tag=Fam Note Group=Other
...
Memo[Note] = test marriage note for dummy spouse
Marriage Status: Unmarried Couple

and

Tag=Fam Note Group=Other
...
Memo[Note] = Marriage note for AMJ

[tatewise]

Helen, it would be easier to convert all but the first 2 NOTE to 3 CONT so they become one continuous multi-line Note.

[ColeValleyGirl]

That would work for me, Mike -- especially if it preserved the order of the notes in FH.

[ronk]

Mike,
Tried the v3.2.2 plugin and did full file text comparison (BeyondCompare) to see all changes compared to v3.2.

with TNG and LFT export, and your suggested options:

a) without the Omits, but all other settings as I had them before:
ASID's removed
but Caption Note labels remain., (not desirable)

b)with Omits of Media, and LMO , (move to local note set as before).
ASID's removed
Caption Labels removed, BUT so are the Notes... (definitely not desirable)

Did I miss setting something? Was I supposed to set something based on this:

There are separate options for Picture Note %d _NOTE and Media Keywords %d _KEYS and Media Date %d _DATE.

[tatewise]

Yes Helen, a proviso is that links to shared Note records must come before or after, and not in between, any local Notes.

The Marriage Status will get appended to the first local Note, then any subsequent local Notes will get appended to that.

Ron, I did say:

There are also possible Picture Note and Keywords labelled Notes on Media. You may not use them, but would you want them removed too?

and

There are separate options for Picture Note %d _NOTE and Media Keywords %d _KEYS and Media Date %d _DATE.
But if they are set to Move to local Note with the Omit options above, then they will also be omitted.

Can you post a sample of what Gedcom you want for the various Media notes compared to what was produced by V3.2.

[ColeValleyGirl]

Mike,

I would prefer that the Marriage status was at the beginning of the Note.

By Shared Note records, do you mean Shared Notes or Family Notes?

Helen

[tatewise]

Helen, moving the Marriage Status is a bit tricky, but will have a look.
Is it a problem in all scenarios or only when there are multiple local Notes?
If only with multiple local Notes, how likely is that?
Also bear in mind that this is an interim fix until John can get GedSite to do what you want.

I mean links to shared Note Records in the Family record,
i.e.
0 @F1@ FAM
1 NOTE @N123@

[ronk]

Mike,

Sorry, but I'm getting confused as to what settings I should be using to achieve what I had with v3.2.

These are the settings (LFT) v3.2.2 aka 3.3 , and by now I think you know what I had with v3.2 (all OK except removing the ASID manually), but I'm not sure how to get there with v3.2.2. I still want the Notes moved to Local, but w/o the caption notes label.

I realize I can't just stick with v3.2 forever, since it will block me from future enhancements to the plugin.

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Will post Gedcom examples in the next post.

Can you post a sample of what Gedcom you want for the various Media notes compared to what was produced by V3.2.

Actually, I want the same treatment of Media notes as what was produced for V3.2.

[tatewise]

Aaaaaaaaaah!
I think I know what you are saying.
You don't want the whole Caption Note and text removed, you just want the Caption Note: label removed.
i.e.
1 NOTE Caption Note: Lots of caption note text.
becomes
1 NOTE Lots of caption note text.

What fooled me was your consistent use of caption note which I took to mean the entire note text, rather than Caption Note: which is the format of the label.

[ronk]

Example from v3.2 export LFT:
1 FILE R:\Family Historian Projects\FHkmtrees\FHkmtrees.fh_data\Media\photos\P19060904 Wiltscheck,anna wedding$.jpg
2 FORM jpg
0 @O232@ OBJE
1 TITL 1909~ Joseph Wiltscheck & Katherine Schieffert Family
1 FILE R:\Family Historian Projects\FHkmtrees\FHkmtrees.fh_data\Media\photos\P1909a Wiltscheck,joseph family12.jpg
2 FORM jpg
1 NOTE back: Charles, Ann,Ben,Bertha,Otto
2 CONT front: Frank,Clara,Katherine,Rose,Art,Joseph,Alfred
2 _ASID 2
1 NOTE back: Charles, Ann,Ben,Bertha,Otto
2 CONT front: Frank,Clara,Katherine,Rose,Art,Joseph,Alfred
2 _ASID 3
1 NOTE back: Charles, Ann,Ben,Bertha,Otto
2 CONT front: Frank,Clara,Katherine,Rose,Art,Joseph,Alfred
2 _ASID 4
1 NOTE back: Charles, Ann,Ben,Bertha,Otto
2 CONT front: Frank,Clara,Katherine,Rose,Art,Joseph,Alfred

These notes, even though repeated, are wanted w/o the caption note label. I then removed the ASID tags with a text editor.

Option 3.2.2 (a)

1 FILE R:\Family Historian Projects\FHkmtrees\FHkmtrees.fh_data\Media\photos\P19060904 Wiltscheck,anna wedding$.jpg
2 FORM jpg
0 @O232@ OBJE
1 TITL 1909~ Joseph Wiltscheck & Katherine Schieffert Family
1 FILE R:\Family Historian Projects\FHkmtrees\FHkmtrees.fh_data\Media\photos\P1909a Wiltscheck,joseph family12.jpg
2 FORM jpg
1 NOTE Caption Note: back: Charles, Ann,Ben,Bertha,Otto
2 CONT Caption Note: front: Frank,Clara,Katherine,Rose,Art,Joseph,Alfred

which has unwanted Caption Note label, and missing notes for rest of Media, and ASID is removed.

Option 3.2.2 (b)

1 TITL 1909~ Joseph Wiltscheck & Katherine Schieffert Family
1 FILE R:\Family Historian Projects\FHkmtrees\FHkmtrees.fh_data\Media\photos\P1909a Wiltscheck,joseph family12.jpg
2 FORM jpg

Is missing all notes; and ASID is removed.

[ronk]

Aaaaaaaaaah!
I think I know what you are saying.
You don't want the whole Caption Note and text removed, you just want the Caption Note: label removed.
i.e.
1 NOTE Caption Note: Lots of caption note text.
becomes
1 NOTE Lots of caption note text.

What fooled me was your consistent use of caption note which I took to mean the entire note text, rather than Caption Note: which is the format of the label.

Yes! That's correct. I tried to suffix every reference to caption note with label or tag, but perhaps I missed one or two times? After this I will always refer to it as Caption Note: Label

[ColeValleyGirl]

Mike,

If the Marriage Status is difficult, I can live with it as a separate item (as originally implemented).

The problem only appears when there are multiple Family notes, which I create quite often. (I might want to add a 'Work in Progress note' and record where a conclusion about the family is a bit ropey ('Take with a pinch of salt note'), and then delete that single note when the situation changes without affecting anything else.

The problem also exists for notes that are local to facts -- in which case GedSite takes the last of the notes associated with the fact. This is less of an issue (although I'll report it to John Cardinal) because the FH Notes tab doesn't allow you to create an additional note for a Fact -- you have to go to the All tab to do it, which makes it very unlikely (IMO) that anyone will do it.

Yes, noted that this is an interim solution; however, I suspect the long-term solution may be a while coming...

Helen

P.S. When combining multiple notes, it would be good to see some separation between the notes -- one or two blank lines? -- so that they're clearly separated when they are displayed. I can add a label at the beginning of each note -- sort of a title -- but it will get lost if the text doesn't have any vertical separation.

[tatewise]

Let me digest both your concepts, I think I may have a solution.

[tatewise]

To bring you up-to-date, the solution I am working on is a new Label Options tab.
That would allow any label used in Labelled Notes, etc, to be altered by the user, and its position before or after other Note text chosen.

So for example Ron, the Caption Note label could be reduced to blank text, and Helen, the Lady Partner Age label could be changed to Female Partner Age, and the Marriage Status positioned before other Note text .

The Label Options tab is working fine, and the changes in the script to use those dynamic settings are all working well.

BUT, I discovered that the script for handling the Caption Note and the other Media labelled Notes was reliant on the label text & order. So it is taking longer than expected to adjust for dynamic label text & order for all nine Media export modes. Most are working, but a few are proving a bit reluctant to behave.

However, when finished, together with the Insert Synthetic Prefix option, will give the user almost complete control over the style of the exported Gedcom regarding labelled Notes and synthetic Facts & Records derived from custom FH data, etc.

[ronk]

Thanks for the update, Mike. Sounds like a powerful customization.

[ColeValleyGirl]

That sounds excellent, Mike.

[tatewise]

Well I think I have achieved success! When reviewing software with a new focus, it is odd how errors & omissions reveal themselves and new techniques are glaringly obvious. I think this version is more efficient than previously.

Try the ATTACHMENT Export Gedcom File Plugin ZIP file Version 3.2.3 Date 24 May 2017. [Now Deleted]

The new features are :-

1. Label Options tab allowing each labelled Note synthetic Label to be customised or even blank.
   Also allows the labelled Note to be inserted before or after other Note text, where applicable.
   These global settings apply to all export modes. I don't think per mode settings (as on the other tabs) are needed.
2. The Extra Options tab has an Avoid Repeat Captions tick option for Media Caption Notes.
   This only applies to FULL~ABS, FILE~REL & FILE~ABS where all Link/Note captions go in one Media record.
   If ticked and consecutive Link/Note text is identical and less than 250 characters long, then the repeats are purged.
3. Previously, an empty NOTE caption was often included in the Media objects & records.
   When there is no text in the Link/Note this no longer happens, unless (rarely) it has a Source Citation.
4. Previously, for PART~*** modes, only Media with a Link to Face/Details _AREA were included.
   Now any Media with a Link/Note caption are also included, even if no _AREA, otherwise the caption would vanish.
5. Any unused Media records (i.e. with 0 Links) are excluded from the exported Gedcom file.
   That always applied to ***~LMO & WIPE~ALL modes, but now applies to unused records in the other modes.
6. In FILE links, the Media folder name can be spelled with M or m.
7. Don't forget the Tidy Places & Addresses and other tick options on the Extra Options tab.
   The tidying not only removes redundant commas but also spaces, and ensures comma is followed by a space.
   Also the new Record Note 1NOTE and Subsidiary Note %d NOTE drop-list options on that tab.
8. Fixes a number of other rare scenarios that came to light while testing.

[ronk]

Thanks Mike,

Did a test, and did a full file compare of v3.2.3 output Gedcoms to v3.2, both TNG and LFT. I changed no settings; thinking all options from v3.2 I had before would carry over to v3.2.3, except I cleared Caption Notes: label in the new Label Options tab.

The TNG looks very good, with, as in v3.2, the Caption Note: label cleared, and I no longer have to clear the ASID orphans. The only setting I changed was to clear the Caption Note: labels. And 147 place records were 'tidied'. Otherwise, the output Gedcom was identical to v3.2.

The LFT, on the other hand, has one obvious change, adding SOUR tags and changing NOTE to TEXT. This is true throughout the Gedcom. Again, no setting changes but the Caption Note: label clear. I will have to compare settings I had from v3.2 to v3.2.3 and see what option (possibly) will fix this to be as v3.2, unless it's obvious to you what I need to change.

Before:

1 EVEN
2 TYPE Religion
2 NOTE Attribute Value: Catholic
1 EVEN
2 TYPE Biography
2 NOTE Dorothy Wiltscheck's History
3 CONT (Submitted by Ron and Donna Krzmarzick)
3 CONT
3 CONT Dorothy, as first born, was pulled outside early on by Charles to be a farmhand. She joked that sitting behind a pair of horses going upwind could be unpleasant at times. Because Dorothy only spoke German when ready for the 1st grade, she w.................

After:

1 EVEN
2 TYPE Religion
2 SOUR @S51@
3 PAGE Ω Note
3 DATA
4 TEXT Attribute Value: Catholic
1 EVEN
2 TYPE Biography
2 SOUR @S51@
3 PAGE Ω Note
3 DATA
4 TEXT Dorothy Wiltscheck's History
5 CONT (Submitted by Ron and Donna Krzmarzick)
5 CONT
5 CONT Dorothy, as first born, was pulled outside early on by Charles to be a farmhand. She joked that sitting behind a pair of horses going upwind could be unpleasant at times. Because Dorothy only spoke German when ready for the 1st grade, she w.................


Thanks,

Ron

[ronk]

OK, for the LFT option, since it is a new option not in v3.2, I changed the Subsidiary Note to Keep Standard Tag. Now nearly identical to v3.2, (w/o the ASID of course), but the a renumbering? of NOTE(s) as follows (from the top of the Gedcom, first Note at line 1653).: (EDIT....this involved only a handful renumbered, upon closer inspection.)

Before:

1 NOTE @N490@
1 NOTE @N490@
1 NOTE @N490@
1 NOTE @N711@
1 NOTE @N711@
1 NOTE @N1574@
1 NOTE @N1321@
1 NOTE @N1321@
1 NOTE @N1414@
1 NOTE @N1414@
1 NOTE @N1414@
1 NOTE @N1414@
1 NOTE @N1414@

After:

1 NOTE @NI1@
1 NOTE @NI1@
1 NOTE @NI1@
1 NOTE @NI2@
1 NOTE @NI2@
1 NOTE @NI5@
1 NOTE @NI3@
1 NOTE @NI3@
1 NOTE @NI4@
1 NOTE @NI4@
1 NOTE @NI4@
1 NOTE @NI4@
1 NOTE @NI4@

I suspect that this will have no impact on LFT.

Update: Imported to LFT, and results look very good. Note renumbering appears to be internal and inconsequential to data presentation.

Will try import of TNG Gedcom next.

Ron

[tatewise]

Because I have changed the Record Note 1 NOTE and Subsidiary Note %d NOTE options between V3.2.2 and V3.2.3 they may need adjusting for each product. They will not be a problem for users upgrading directly from V3.2 to V3.3 later.

I suspect the LFT earlier SOUR tags were due to Subsidiary Note %d NOTE being set to Citation Note (ANC).

The latest LFT problem with NOTE numbering is associated with :-

• Record Note 1 NOTE set to Media Caption Note (LFT) (needs to be renamed to Adjust Note Link (LFT))
• Subsidiary Note %d NOTE set to Adjust Note Link (LFT)

Those defaults cater for the General NI, Research HI & Medical MI notes in LFT.
The 1 NOTE @N490@ format suggests the original NOTE tag line was being retained, which is unusual for LFT.
The 1 NOTE @NI1@ format is correct for default General NI notes in LFT but not sure why the numbers are different.
What are the Note Record Id in your FH master Project?

[ronk]

The LFT import looks good, even with the apparent renumbering.

What are the Note Record Id in your FH master Project?

. The Note Record ID's are like the 'before' , e.g. 490 vs. 1. I suspect they've been that way since I migrated from LFT last year. If things look OK, should I still be changing as you indicate:

The latest LFT problem with NOTE numbering is associated with :-
Record Note 1 NOTE set to Media Caption Note (LFT) (needs to be renamed to Adjust Note Link (LFT))
Subsidiary Note %d NOTE set to Adjust Note Link (LFT)

BTW...so far, the TNG import looks very good, no manual changes to the Gedcom (other than I do change the Individual Prefix from 'I' to 'P' as personal reading preference in TNG since displayed there in several places. I've been doing that for a couple months.

[ronk]

OK, Mike so I made the two suggested changes in the LFT export and now looks better. I should have mentioned there were only a handful of the actual Note Record ID's renumbered (38).

Record Note 1 NOTE set to Media Caption Note (LFT) (needs to be renamed to Adjust Note Link (LFT))
Subsidiary Note %d NOTE set to Adjust Note Link (LFT)

Assume you by 'renamed to' something you are changing?

Making those changes eliminated a handful of (inconsequential, upon inspection in LFT) changes compared to v3.2:

1 NOTE Marriage Status: Divorced

was altered to: but is now left as in v3.2
1 EVEN
2 TYPE FAMSTORY
2 NOTE Marriage Status: Divorced

Lastly, those Extra Option changes had no impact whatever, which I suspect was expected, on the TNG Gedcom; it remained identical to v3.2.3 w/o those changes.

[tatewise]

On checking the script, the NOTE Records are renumbered from NI1, HI1, MI1 respectively as part of handling those three Note categories for LFT.

Yes, the renaming is something I need to do in the Plugin Script.

The Marriage Status is another case where the Record Note 1 NOTE and Subsidiary Note %d NOTE options are not using the LFT default. I suspect Record Note 1 NOTE is set to Move to FAMSTORY Fact (FMP) for FMP instead of the LFT default of Media Caption Note (LFT) (which just now is a misnomer but does actually Adjust Note Link (LFT) the same as Subsidiary Note %d NOTE.

Regarding TNG, yes both Record Note 1 NOTE and Subsidiary Note %d NOTE should use Keep Standard Tag.

Is your use of P instead of I a personal preference for Individual Record Id or is it very general?

[ronk]

Yes, the Individual Record ID is a personal preference in TNG for readibility (letter P next to numeric is much better than letter I), since the alpha portion is displayed there. But I make that change with one command in my text editor....no problem. TNG will accept any prefix.

I will adjust the rest as noted.

Thanks, and think the plugin is ready to be v3.3 ! (at least from my narrow perspective).

Ron

[tatewise]

It is a relief that the Place & Address tidying is working OK in both LFT and TNG, especially since TNG uses Place Records that must have unique names.
Could you deliberately create two Place Records in TNG with similar names that tidy to the same name, and review the resulting popup message.
e.g.
Fulham,London, England
Fulham, London, , England

Have you experimented with the Avoid Repeat Captions option on the Extra Options tab?

Are you happy with unused Media Records being purged?

If any other options catch your eye, then do try them.

I will wait until Helen has experimented with the customisations she wanted before going any further.

I am updating the Help & Advice pages in advance of the Plugin Store release.