* Import from TMG, Name-Variation lost Given Name

[torleiffh]

Direct import from TMG.
Persons having a Name-Variation name in addition to their Name have lost their Given Name.
Mildred gets Finstad Finstad as her Name-Variation in FH:

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[tatewise]

I imagine there are no TMG direct import options for that feature.
So you need to discuss it with CP via their http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php Support Tickets.

[torleiffh]

I imagine there are no TMG direct import options for that feature.
So you need to discuss it with CP via their http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php Support Tickets.

Done. With test project and screen shots.

This is a very serious problem for FH since RootsMagic has not this kind of issue.
It's very strange that FH has not solved this long ago.

[LeslieP]

I converted from TMG to RM quite a few years ago, and from RM to FH just this year, and have a little bit of insight on the multiple name topic that I can share, it might be helpful.

First, by way of reassurance, most likely none of your information is LOST, it's simply not "front and center" visible. Look in the ALL tab and you'll see the dates, types, sources, notes, and images that you had attached to all of the names.

Compare here the "names and titles" window vs what is on the ALL tab.

only the name part shows here

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all of the info from RootsMagic is actually still there

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Second, back in TMG days, we were encouraged to add married names by just entering the new surname, and TMG would include the other names for us on the lists and reports. Same for the alternative spellings for surnames, etc. JUST enter the info that's different, and TMG will include all of the other stuff when we needed it. It was great.

BUT... it means that in fact your NAME fact only contains that one name. It was just TMG display that was including the other names in display and report.

Your screenshot shows that. The only actual data for that name-variation is the surname and the sort-surname. There's not going to be an easy way around that I don't think.

Sorry I don't really have an answer or a solution, just wanted to let you know that whatever information was in your GEDCOM, it's still there in FH.

[torleiffh]

Thank you Leslie for information/example.
Here is another example from my data - TMG + FH + RM7 - showing that RM7 does it correctly with the direct import from TMG.

TMG 9.05:

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FH 7.07 - second Name is "Flink Flink", wrong!

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RM 7.6.5 - alt Name is Johanna Flink, correct:

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[LeslieP]

Oh my, I've fallen down quite the rabbit hole with this, and I don't think I have any solution for you, just maybe a bit of explanation - particularly why my results are different from yours.

In TMG, all those years ago, when I created a married name for a woman, I only input the new Surname, and placed the maiden name in parentheses as the suffix. TMG handled the "magic" of filling in the given name.

My conversion from TMG to RM was via GEDCOM, not direct import. So in RM, all I had for married names was the surname, thus that is all I have in FH.
Primary Name
GIVEN: Cynthia
SURNAME: Baker
Married Name
SURNAME: Barnhill
SUFFIX: (Baker)

I found the last TMG "sqz" file, from 2010, unzipped it, and imported that old TMG v7 project file directly into FH. The direct import process auto-populates the other name fields, so in FH she has two names, Cynthia Baker and Cynthia Barnhill.

That makes it seem to me that what YOU are seeing on your direct import from TMG to FH is a glitch. I would first try doing a fresh clean save/backup from TMG, then doing a fresh clean import of the PJC file and see what happens.

It really does seem like FH directly importing from TMG has the logic to autopopulate the names as you want them to, and to not be duplicating the surname and sort surname fields.

AMAZING. FH impresses me more every day. And now that I found my old TMG file, maybe I can use the FH query capabilities to seek out any info I had in TMG all those years ago that has been lost due to the RM transfer.

[elricks]

Who knows I may be able to help...

In my TMG married women's 'other name' is recorded on Name-Marr tag.

After conversion in all tab I have (example) Name = Hannah Guy, followed by Name = Hannah Burton. She was married to Clement BURTON.

Therefore I think if you change your 'other' name tag to Name-Marr before the conversion you will be OK.

I would use a temp flag to mark all married women, then run John Cardinal's TMG utilities to change the name tag, but there are other options within the app. One is simply adding a married name tag to all women for all marriages - ie any existing tags are not removed.

Note If a woman is married, AND has an "other name" recorded that has nothing to do with being married, then my process would also change that tag into Name-Marr. A targeted search before making any changes may reveal name tags that fall into this category. I assume there won't be many, if any. Adding a Name-Marr for all marriages removes this possibility, but leaves you with all the Surname Surname unwanted entries.

SHIRLEY