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1921 Census - Finding an address from the enumeration district reference.

Posted: 07 Jan 2022 17:43
by RS3100
I have downloaded a 1921 census page image for a 3 year old individual who is obviously in an institution and shown as a patient, sequential number 246 on the form. The institutional sheets differ in appearance from the household forms. The box for the address of the building or institution on the "Front" sheet (as labelled by FMP under the extra materials) has not been completed, and is completely blank. The cover page identifies the document as relating to Romford South Ward in Essex, PN08801 RD191 SD1 ED31 (which the RD and SD numbers confirm) and I understand from a document I found at TNA that for institutional forms, the enumeration district may often refer solely to the single institution.

But, I can't find any information about enumeration district allocations that would identify the address or area allocated to a specific ED number.

Putting the RD, SD and ED into the advanced search on FMP returns 616 individuals, and it is apparent that although many have unique surnames when alphabetically sorted, there are also some families, so perhaps the ED might cover houses as well.

This particular individual's older sister is on another form also in Romford, in a Scattered Children's Home. But on the form in which he appears, there are also adults described both as patients and inmates, with occupations given. From that information and the location, it seems a reasonable assumption that the form might relate to the Romford Union workhouse, which was situated to the south-west of the town. But does anyone know how I might be able to find out for certain, or at least narrow down the area further using the ED number?

If the records were freely available, it should be fairly easy to narrow down by looking at adjacent sheets, but at over £3 a time that's not a viable option in the shorter term. I'm waiting on a response from FMP, but I suspect they are just going to tell me it is an unknown institution, as per their transcription, which I also put my hand in my pocket for on the off chance it might tell me something useful :roll:

I suppose I might have to start looking at some of the obvious family groups that come up in the search results, and see if I can put them to addresses in the 1911 census, unless there's an easier way someone might be aware of?

Re: 1921 Census - Finding an address from the enumeration district reference.

Posted: 07 Jan 2022 18:10
by RS3100
Resolved. Someone on RootsChat has given me the name and year of birth of the Master Of Romford Union workhouse in 1921, and he's amongst the individuals returned on searching the enumeration district number, together with (presumably) his wife and daughter. So I'm fairly certain it is the workhouse now :)

Re: 1921 Census - Finding an address from the enumeration district reference.

Posted: 07 Jan 2022 21:34
by AdrianBruce
RS3100 wrote:
07 Jan 2022 17:43
... But, I can't find any information about enumeration district allocations that would identify the address or area allocated to a specific ED number. ...
For individual household schedules, the Extra Materials allegedly includes a description of the ED. I take it there's nothing similar for an institution?

Given that the institutional format is different (I understand) from the household format, and given that the former seem to be given out as books, it seems pretty impossible to mix them.

TNA's catalogue entry for RG 15/8801 isn't very helpful - as I suspect you know.

Re: 1921 Census - Finding an address from the enumeration district reference.

Posted: 07 Jan 2022 22:18
by RS3100
AdrianBruce wrote:
07 Jan 2022 21:34
RS3100 wrote:
07 Jan 2022 17:43
... But, I can't find any information about enumeration district allocations that would identify the address or area allocated to a specific ED number. ...
For individual household schedules, the Extra Materials allegedly includes a description of the ED. I take it there's nothing similar for an institution?
No, not for this particular entry anyway. Just the cover of the book with handwritten Piece number, District and the RD, SD and ED numbers, the "Front" sheet (actually the first page in the institution book) on which the address was supposed to have been entered, but which was completely blank, a very unhelpful image of the plain cloth covered back cover of the book which contained no information at all, and a district map on which someone in the period had helpfully written words to the effect that it was too small to be able to include any additional information on.
TNA's catalogue entry for RG 15/8801 isn't very helpful - as I suspect you know.
Yes, but having the RD, SD and ED numbers from the cover, I was also able to determine the district and sub district from the national list of RD and SD numbers, which is available at FMP. That didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, as the town name and ward were also written on the cover in plain english. The ED number should be able to narrow it down further from what I understand, possibly even to the actual premises for an institution book, but a list of ED numbers for each district and sub district doesn't seem to be available anywhere that I can find.

Re: 1921 Census - Finding an address from the enumeration district reference.

Posted: 08 Jan 2022 11:57
by TimTreeby
FMP do have a list of Institutions with the Piece No.

See https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/w ... nd-prisons which confirms that Piece 8801 is Romford Workhouse.

If you go to https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles will find links for

1921 Census - British armed forces overseas
1921 Census - institutions & prisons
1921 Census - occupation codes
1921 Census - Registration Districts (RDs) and Sub-districts (SDs)
1921 Census - schedule type codes

Re: 1921 Census - Finding an address from the enumeration district reference.

Posted: 08 Jan 2022 13:30
by RS3100
Ah, thank you Tim. TNA implied that the information existed but just referred to their "partner site", but although I found the RD and SD references on FMP, I missed the institutions and prisons. Now bookmarked!

Thanks again.