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Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby Wilfreda99 » 30 Nov 2018 11:53

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I belong to a group of Friends of the local (redundant) church and (closed) graveyard and we would like to put the memorial inscriptions online, so that they are free to view. There are about 350 graves so not too onerous a task. We are trying to decide whether it would be better to put them on a website such as Find a Grave, or to create a spreadsheet of all the details and put them on our website. I have found details of graves using the latter method in days gone by but can't find any now so is this a redundant method? I would welcome any thoughts both from people searching for graves and from those uploading data - ease of use, etc.

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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby tatewise » 30 Nov 2018 12:36

I am not particularly focussed on finding gravestones, but would advise using a well know site where you can contribute, such as https://www.findagrave.com/contribute, otherwise how would a researcher find them on your website?
There appear to be several upload options and videos on that site, but you need to join for free to get the details.
Mike Tate ~ researching the Tate and Scott family history.

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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby LornaCraig » 30 Nov 2018 13:27

Are you planning to take photos as well as transcribe the information?
This site is a useful one https://www.gravestonephotos.com/ As the name suggests, it has a searchable index of photos and welcomes volunteers. For ways of volunteering/contributing, see https://www.gravestonephotos.com/volunteers/become.php
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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby Wilfreda99 » 04 Dec 2018 15:36

Thanks to both of you for your comments. I have had a look at site Gravestonephotos but I think Find a Grave looks more suited to our purpose as I would like to record the actual inscription rather than just the details of the names dates etc. I will have a play around more but I think you have confirmed my thoughts that one of these dedicated websites would be better than anything we can cobble together ourselves.
I put a name into google and that surname came up on Find a Grave, though not the relevant one because I had obtained it from Gravestone photos. Clicking on one on Find a Grave took me to a specific grave, details and photo. The same search on Gravestone photos only took me to the list of the surname and left me to scroll down to the relevant one (hardly impossible to do but one more step).
Thanks again, :)
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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby themoudie » 06 Dec 2018 22:12

Aye Chris,

I have used and made contributions to both FindaGrave and GravestonePhotos. FindaGrave is an American site and appears to have close connections to the LSD website and Search engine. Whilst the GravestonePhotos is a one man band UK based website and if you enjoy one to one correspondence with the people adding data to the site or maybe would like more detailed information, this could be the site for your group.

Whichever you choose, enjoy it, make sure your images are crisply focused, enhance the image 'Contrast' if necessary to make any inscription/carving legible and make as full a transcription of the inscription as you can. An accurate (+/- 5m) latitude - longtitude of the headstone is also appreciated.

"...you have confirmed my thoughts that one of these dedicated websites would be better than anything we can cobble together ourselves." I couldn't agree more.

Good health and my regards, Bill

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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby BillH » 06 Dec 2018 22:49

themoudie wrote:FindaGrave is an American site and appears to have close connections to the LSD website and Search engine.


FindAGrave was recently purchased by Ancestry.com which has no connection with the LDS church other than the fact that the founders were (or are) members of the church. The LDS church doesn't have any financial stake in Ancestry.com. Both Ancestry.com and FamilySearch have links to FindAGrave records on their web sites.
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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby Wilfreda99 » 07 Dec 2018 10:06

Thanks for your comments. I knew that FindaGrave was purchased some years ago by Ancestry who swore at that time to keep it free for use, in accordance with the wishes of its creator, but of course that might not last for ever. I hadn't realised that FindaGrave is accessible via Family Search. I might look a bit more deeply into the other site, perhaps I didn't research it properly. We want people to be able to find the information for free by putting a name into Google, so that those who aren't family history researchers can find out where their ancestors are buried. On the other hand of course people who are into family history probably put the name into a family history website before they do into google...…..
This could be particularly significant for people buried in our graveyard since about 1925. Transcriptions of burial registers prior to that date are available on FMP (OK, I know we have to pay for that!) but the register since then is still with the church warden of the next village, with which our congregation merged when the church closed. This is because some people are still being buried where a double plot was purchased originally. The register will never be completed and therefore possibly never passed over to the county archives, or not for a long time.
People who know their ancestors are buried here can ring up the church warden for details but I know of at least 2 graves where the person lived elsewhere but was buried here for no apparent reason.

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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby BillH » 07 Dec 2018 17:00

Wilfreda99,

Just my personal opinion, but I would recommend FindAGrave as probably the best such site to use. It has a global audience and a very large number of graves already entered and many more being added all the time. I use FindAGrave all the time without going through either Ancestry or FamilySearch. One cautionary note is that I've found errors on quite a few of my ancestors. People sometimes add info from their research that isn't true. As with any such non-primary source, the info of course needs to be verified.

Another site like FindAGrave is Billion Graves which has a following here in the US but I'm not sure about its worldwide coverage. I find it a lot harder to use than FindAGrave so don't use it much. One thing it does have is the exact GPS location of every grave that has a picture on the site.
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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby AdrianBruce » 08 Dec 2018 20:47

Re access of FindAGrave from FamilySearch - because the index is not FS's own, it has to be imported and I'm not sure how often that happens. The page https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Find_A_Grave_Index_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records) says:
This collection is being published as information becomes available from Find A Grave

The tense here implies that it's an ongoing project but is silent on how often updates take place. As a result, change may happen in FindAGrave that are not reflected in FS for some time.

The other aspect that you need to think about is copyright of photos. It is all too frequent that someone copies photos from FindAGrave to put in their tree, sometimes without even having the courtesy to acknowledge the original source. If anyone feels offended by this, then they probably shouldn't be putting their photos online anywhere. I mention FindAGrave but that's probably unfair - any photos anywhere are fair game for copyists - it's just that FindAGrave is such an obvious a place to go to.
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Re: Grave and memorial inscriptions

Postby themoudie » 08 Dec 2018 21:29

Aye Chris,

Further to my earlier post, it would appear that by entering ""Robert Harvey" grave" into Google, it returns 45,900 results!

'FindaGrave' has 1,509 matching records found for "Robert Harvey".

So it appears that if you only use Google, or are keen and use a genealogy website or a Grave/Memorial record website, you are likely to obtain information. Whether you choose to then run the gauntlet of 'Pay per View' or 'Free' websites is personal preference. All are better than an Excel/Access database that may have personal foibles in its layout and content. Bit like commecial website 'Family Tree' software! ;)

Use which ever of the 3 online databases mentioned in this thread suits you and your group, if people require the information they will find it. The sooner you record the data the better. Two Parishes where I know I have relatives buried have been turned into 'green spaces' for the Parish. All the headstones being either laid face down to form footpaths, hiding the inscriptions and or placed around the perimeter of the graveyard along with larger memorials, where tree saplings and rampant ivy growth then obcsure the stone. No mapped record was made prior to the headstones being moved, as that would take up "too much time"! :cry:

Large rabbit populations can also have a similar effect, as headstones fall over due to their burrowing and the headstones are left to lie in situ, whilst the graveyard maybe closed on H&S grounds. The current decline of the Church, its congregations and peoples un-willingness to "keep" graveyards are all reasons that make your online contribution worthwhile. Go for it!

Good health, Bill


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