Gedcom census and Multimedia links

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 23 Apr 2006 13:46

I have a column in the sources pane showing which Multimedia object is linked to a source (and a column in multimedia pane showing what it is linked to). However, census entries entered using GEDCOM census do not have an entry in the column, but they are linked and images show up in the Object pane of the source, and the links are in the 'link pane' on the Working with Multimedia page.

How can I make them appear?

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Post by **NickWalker** » 23 Apr 2006 14:44

I have a similar column on my sources pane and it shows up all the images as expected. The reference for the column is:

SOUR.OBJE[1]>

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 23 Apr 2006 20:31

Sources pane is now OK, but in the Multimedia pane it still doesn't show all of the sources.

Post by **NickWalker** » 23 Apr 2006 22:58

I'm not sure that it is possible to have a column to show the sources a multimedia object is linked to but someone else should be able to confirm or prove otherwise.

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 24 Apr 2006 12:42

Nick, I already have the column and it seems to work except where the entry was made through GEDCOM census. Does it link things differently than when it is done manually by 'Working with Multimedia'

I have photographs and certificates linked to sources and they have entries in the correct column, some census images that have been linked manually also show up.

Irene

YouTube · Post by **Jane** » 24 Apr 2006 13:49

Irene it might help if you post the column expression to see exactly what you are using on the column which is not showing what you want.

Post by **NickWalker** » 24 Apr 2006 18:12

No Gedcom Census doesn't do anything different. It links the image to the source in the same way as it would be linked if done manually in Family Historian. The only thing I can imagine is that perhaps your other images are linked to a person or to a citation, etc. However, as Jane says it would help if you let us know what your column expression is.

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 25 Apr 2006 20:04

On Sources pane I have a column headed Multimedia as follows

SOUR.OBJE[1]>

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 27 Apr 2006 20:31

I am still stuck with this, I can't understand what I have done wrong
SOUR.OBJE[1] In each case it lists the first multimedia object except for census files entered with GEDCOM census, if I go into Work with Multimedia and link the same object to the source a second time it appears on the list but disappears if I delete the first object - even though they are the same

YouTube · Post by **Jane** » 27 Apr 2006 21:35

Can you screen grab the record window for the source you have a problem with and one that works and post them here?

Post by **NickWalker** » 27 Apr 2006 22:33

I'm sorry we've not sorted this for you yet but I'm a bit confused by what you are asking. When I replied earlier in the thread with the column reference for the source records you said:

'Sources pane is now OK, but in the Multimedia pane it still doesn't show all of the sources.'

So I assumed from that that it was now working fine on the sources pane but that the multimedia pane was your problem but you seem to still be talking about the sources pane?

If you would like to send me your GEDCOM file (which I promise I will not pass on to anyone else and will only use for testing purposes) to nsw@eidosnet.co.uk then I will take a look to see if I can what is happening.

Nick

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 28 Apr 2006 08:31

Sorry I got confused myself - working too much overtime at the moment!
On multimedia window I have a column OBJE.NOTE2[1]and on sources window I have a column SOUR.OBJE[1]> which I thought would cross reference sources and multimedia objects.

I will send you my file and try to get the screen shots you need tonight, thanks and sorry for the confusion.

YouTube · Post by **Jane** » 28 Apr 2006 11:28

Ah, light dawns - you are not showing the linked source only the text from Note2.

I don't think there is a way to access the reverse link from media to source, what I think you might be using is the Link to 'part' of image option such as you use for highlighting faces on photos.

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 28 Apr 2006 19:45

Thanks for your reply, I'm not sure I fully understand but it seems I haven't done what I hoped to, but somehow got part of what I wanted. I appreciate the time you spent on this.

Post by **NickWalker** » 28 Apr 2006 20:23

I've contacted Irene about this and I can now see that she is perfectly correct. Gedcom Census isn't recording the necessary Link/Note reference to allow the column reference OBJE.NOTE2[1] to work. It is easy to fix for the next version. Hopefully I'll be able to get this link added to any images records already created by Gedcom Census. Its not a major problem, but I am annoyed with myself for not getting it right.

Anyway thanks to Irene the next version will have another new improvement!

ireneblackburn · Post by **ireneblackburn** » 29 Apr 2006 12:10

Thanks again Nick for taking the time to look at this. As you can tell from my file, I have used your gedcom census program extensively and I think it is wonderful.

Post by **NickWalker** » 29 Apr 2006 17:34

Actually I now find that there is more to it than I thought. In Family Historian, if you right click on a source and then link an image that way the Note/Link isn't created (which is the way Gedcom Census does things). If you start with an image and then link it to the source a Note/Link is created. I've contacted Simon at Calico about this as it seems inconsistent but there may be a good reason that I don't understand.

Post by **NickWalker** » 01 Jul 2006 15:57

I'm updating some of the old Gedcom Census related threads now that version 5.1 has been released.

Just for information the new Gedcom Census 5.1 now has an option (on by default) to record the note/link information when linking a source to a new image.

KevinG · Post by **KevinG** » 30 Aug 2006 20:53

Not sure I understand all this thread. I have tried using Gedcom census 5.1 using method 2 and linking images to citations. When I view the file in FH 2.3.5 I can see no reference to the image files, although the link is listed as an OBJ in the gedcom.

YouTube · Post by **Jane** » 31 Aug 2006 19:12

I am not sure on this one as I use type 1, but I think you can only easliy get a the images via the reports and the all tab.

Post by **NickWalker** » 31 Aug 2006 19:39

I do mention in the help file for the Options screen that using images with recording method 2 isn't ideal. The images are there but are rather hidden away. As Jane says they can be shown in reports or using the All tab in properties.

Hannah1871 · Post by **Hannah1871** » 19 Nov 2006 00:01

Nick Walker said:
Gedcom Census isn't recording the necessary Link/Note reference to allow the column reference OBJE.NOTE2 to work. It is easy to fix for the next version. Hopefully I'll be able to get this link added to any images records already created by Gedcom Census.

Hi Nick
Will the new update for Gedcom Census that you are working on include a fix for the above? I still have a column which has mixed links.
Thanks for all your hard work and such a brilliant program.
Regards
Tracey

Tombaston · Post by **Tombaston** » 19 Nov 2006 08:27

I forgot to add an image to one source, then went back and used the Attach Images to Existing Sources Tool. This creates a blank Link/Note and if I try and edit this it doesn't appear the same as Link/Notes created at the same time as the source. Is there a workaround to fix this?

In the image below the Battersea source had the image attached as I created it, whereas the Buckland one I used Attach Images to Existing Sources. If I click into the Link/Note field on either it becomes an empty field until I click back out. But if I enter text into the Buckland one it stays as text, so I am not sure this is then treated the same.

Post by **NickWalker** » 19 Nov 2006 11:20

Hannah: The current version does create these link/note records when linking to new images using recording method 1. Adding links to earlier images is not quite so easy unfortunately.

Dave: This is a bug so thanks for spotting it, I'll hopefully fix it in the next version. If you edit the Gedcom file and look for the text:

0 @S137@ SOUR

You will find the details of your 1901 Buckland source. A few lines down will be a link to the image object:

1 OBJE @O42@

If you add a new line after this:

2 _ASID 1

The link should work as expected.

Regards

Nick

Post by **NickWalker** » 19 Nov 2006 13:58

I just wanted to clarify that the earlier versions of Gedcom Census that didn't add the Link/Note weren't doing anything wrong. Link/Notes are not created in Family Historian when linking from a source to an image, only when linking from an image to a source (which one might haved expected to be the same thing). This is why the Link/Note creation is only an option in Gedcom Census.

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