Hi
I am just beginning to look at using gedcom census.
I already had some census flags inserted for individuals in FH.
But when I open gedcom census it says there are census flags out of sync and it wants to delete the flags I have already entered.
What should I do to with my prevously entered flags.
My census flags have been created as events in a fact set called census.
events are called 1841 census, 1851 census etc.
Hope someone can help
Many Thanks
Dave
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I think for this to have happened you must at some point have allocated some flags to dates in Gedcom Census using the Tools->Census Flags form? You must also have run a flag check and ticked the 'Always run a flag check...each time Gedcom Census loads' option.
With the Census Flags screen you create links between a census date and a flag; let's call those 'flag links'. The reason Gedcom Census is saying that the flags are out of sync is because one or both of the following scenarios exist in your file:
a) There are individuals in your file who have census events with dates for which you created 'flag links' but who do not have the appropriate flag. e.g you have a link between '30 Mar 1851' and 'UK 1851 Census' flag and some individuals in your file have census events with date '30 Mar 1851' but don't have the 'UK 1851 Census' flag. Flag Check will suggest adding these flags.
b) There are individuals who have flags involved in a 'flag link' but who don't have the appropriate census event listed. e.g. you have individuals with the 'UK 1851 Census' flag who don't have census events with date '30 Mar 1851'. Flag Check will suggest removing these flags.
The flag check screen will show you lists of individuals who fall into these categories.
One problem could be that you have census events whose dates don't match those you have set in Gedcom Census. You may want to look at using the Tools->Census Date Check screen to set all the dates to be consistent. e.g. you may have the census date set as '1851' in some places and '30 March 1851' in others. So using this example. the Census Date Check can be used to set all of these to 30 March 1851 for consistency. Then the Flag Check screen should work as expected.
This all sounds quite complicated but once the dates are all consistent and the flag links are set up it should all works automatically without even thinking about it.
With the Census Flags screen you create links between a census date and a flag; let's call those 'flag links'. The reason Gedcom Census is saying that the flags are out of sync is because one or both of the following scenarios exist in your file:
a) There are individuals in your file who have census events with dates for which you created 'flag links' but who do not have the appropriate flag. e.g you have a link between '30 Mar 1851' and 'UK 1851 Census' flag and some individuals in your file have census events with date '30 Mar 1851' but don't have the 'UK 1851 Census' flag. Flag Check will suggest adding these flags.
b) There are individuals who have flags involved in a 'flag link' but who don't have the appropriate census event listed. e.g. you have individuals with the 'UK 1851 Census' flag who don't have census events with date '30 Mar 1851'. Flag Check will suggest removing these flags.
The flag check screen will show you lists of individuals who fall into these categories.
One problem could be that you have census events whose dates don't match those you have set in Gedcom Census. You may want to look at using the Tools->Census Date Check screen to set all the dates to be consistent. e.g. you may have the census date set as '1851' in some places and '30 March 1851' in others. So using this example. the Census Date Check can be used to set all of these to 30 March 1851 for consistency. Then the Flag Check screen should work as expected.
This all sounds quite complicated but once the dates are all consistent and the flag links are set up it should all works automatically without even thinking about it.
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Hmm I've just re-read your question and realised that the answer is probably much simpler.
Gedcom Census only uses the standard 'Census' event and will not work with any custom events you've created. There is no need to create special custom census events such as '1841 census', etc. and unless you have a lot of census records I'd recommend deleting your existing census events and re-entering your census records using Gedcom Census. Otherwise Gedcom Census won't be of any use to you.
Gedcom Census only uses the standard 'Census' event and will not work with any custom events you've created. There is no need to create special custom census events such as '1841 census', etc. and unless you have a lot of census records I'd recommend deleting your existing census events and re-entering your census records using Gedcom Census. Otherwise Gedcom Census won't be of any use to you.
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Hi Nick
Thanks for your speedy reply.
As gedcom census does look a very useful tool I will do as you suggest and delete my existing flags and re enter them using gedcom census.
It's quite a bit of work but it will be worth it I think!!!!
Many Thanks
Dave
Thanks for your speedy reply.
As gedcom census does look a very useful tool I will do as you suggest and delete my existing flags and re enter them using gedcom census.
It's quite a bit of work but it will be worth it I think!!!!
Many Thanks
Dave
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Hi Nick
I couldnt face removing all my census data last year. But I have come to see the benefit of GC. Is there an easy way to remove all my old census data perhaps with a query.
I do have rather a lot of entries and finding them all will be difficult.
Hope you can help I really am a convert to GC
Many Thanks
Dave
I couldnt face removing all my census data last year. But I have come to see the benefit of GC. Is there an easy way to remove all my old census data perhaps with a query.
I do have rather a lot of entries and finding them all will be difficult.
Hope you can help I really am a convert to GC
Many Thanks
Dave
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Hi Nick
Its Ok I have managed to create a query to do the job
Dave
Its Ok I have managed to create a query to do the job
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Nick will probably be along with an answer in a bit, but as Gedcom Census does not use Family Census records my guess would be no, you could always write a query in FH to find people with matching family census events and set the flags.
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Hi Barbara
As Jane says, no Gedcom Census won't deal with Family census events.
To be honest I think family census events are a waste of time and they shouldn't even be part of the GEDCOM spec which is why Gedcom Census completely ignores them too! Just to briefly explain this: Its very rare an entire family of people are present in every census record, some are born earlier, some later, some have died by the time the census occurs, some are away on census night, etc. so applying census events to families doesn't work apart from ocasionally. We could potentially mix family and individual census events but that just gets confusing so better to just use individual census events.
As Jane says, no Gedcom Census won't deal with Family census events.
To be honest I think family census events are a waste of time and they shouldn't even be part of the GEDCOM spec which is why Gedcom Census completely ignores them too! Just to briefly explain this: Its very rare an entire family of people are present in every census record, some are born earlier, some later, some have died by the time the census occurs, some are away on census night, etc. so applying census events to families doesn't work apart from ocasionally. We could potentially mix family and individual census events but that just gets confusing so better to just use individual census events.
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Thanks for the explanation, Nick
I don't use them anymore, as I use your excellent program, but I still have some from when I first started. I must make an effort to amend them, as GC doesn't like the flags I set on the family census and I wondered why?
Barbara
I don't use them anymore, as I use your excellent program, but I still have some from when I first started. I must make an effort to amend them, as GC doesn't like the flags I set on the family census and I wondered why?
Barbara
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If you go to Tools->Flags->Flag Check and untick the 'Always run a flag check' option then it won't complain about the flags that have been added to individuals who have census flags applied but don't have individual census events again (unless you manually run the flag check).
Hope that helps
Nick
Hope that helps
Nick