Occupations amp; Residences

EddieA · Post by **EddieA** » 04 Jul 2011 12:00

Another two AS questions:
What does AS do with all the different 'occupations' that are entered into the censuses? Are they assigned to the 'occupations' facts in FH by date?

Similarly with the 'residences', when you enter an address into the census address field in AS is this carried over into all the relevant 'residence ' fields (with the date) in FH4 for all the people on the census?

TIA
Eddie

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Post by **NickWalker** » 04 Jul 2011 12:41

Yes the occupation details go into occupation facts for the relevant individual. A date is added. By default the place is filled in (usually a fair assumption that they worked in the same town or village that they lived) but the address isn't. However, there are options to change this behaviour.

Residence facts aren't created, as this is the purpose of the census fact. A census isn't specifying where someone lived, it is recording where they were on census night. If you created a census and residence fact this would an unnecessary repetition. There is however an option to use residence facts instead of census facts.

Hope that helps

Nick

Post by **tatewise** » 04 Jul 2011 14:27

There are AS tutorials in the Knowledge Base that not only show how to use AS but also where the data appears in FH.
They are also accompanied by videos that summarise the process.

See Main Menu > Knowledge Base > Ancestral Sources or
http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id ... rces:index

Specifically, the Census Tutorials are at
http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id ... nsus_facts

EddieA · Post by **EddieA** » 04 Jul 2011 17:23

Thanks Nick for the help
I see your point about the residence and have found the option to change it that you mentioned.

Wouldn't it be preferable to be able to put a 'check' against each individual to state if a residence fact should also be created. Everyone was there as a 'census fact' by definition but many were also resident.

& Thanks tatewise
I will be reviewing the tutorials you mentioned
Thanks again
Eddie

Post by **NickWalker** » 04 Jul 2011 18:30

As I said Ancestral Sources creates census facts by default. I don't recommend using residence facts instead but the option is there for those who wish to use it. I can't see the point in mixing and matching - use one or the other.

EddieA · Post by **EddieA** » 04 Jul 2011 19:49

Using AS options, if you record a census fact you have not recorded a residence fact - and vice versa.
As census facts are important they should be recorded but if you know someone lived there then you should also be able to record a residence fact. In many cases there may be no residence fact recorded for that date and relying on census facts is misleading (as they are often not resident) and therefore wrong. These are two possible facts not alternatives or interchangeable.
Eddie

Post by **NickWalker** » 04 Jul 2011 22:32

But a census fact is a specific kind of residence fact.

A census fact says 'this individual was living at this address on this date as recorded in the census'. A residence fact says 'this individual was living at this address on this date'. So I can't see any reason to record a residence fact when it tells you nothing more than the census fact does and is effectively a sub-set of a census fact.

kliddell · Post by **kliddell** » 09 Jul 2011 13:25

I have entered Census data for several families, but would like to move the facts from Census to Residence for the records already filed? Can I do this without re-entering all the data?
Kath

PeterR · Post by **PeterR** » 09 Jul 2011 15:17

As Nick said above: 'A census isn't specifying where someone lived, it is recording where they were on census night.' so I would only ever use a census entry as a source for a census event (and an occupation, etc., if relevant). There are other documents, e.g. birth and marriage certificates or register entries, and voter registrations, which provide evidence of residence.

Post by **tatewise** » 09 Jul 2011 15:26

There are several benefits for keeping Census Events instead of Residence Attributes.
1) They more accurately define the nature of the Event.
2) The Age field makes more sense for a Census Event.
3) The Note entries sometimes created by AS do not make sense in a Residence context.
4) The Sentence reads better in Narrative Reports.
5) Census Events let you determine which Census Years have been researched, and which have not, for each Individual, via Queries and Custom Property Box Tabs.

If several consecutive Events such as Census and BMD Certificates show an Individual resident at a particular address, then a Residence Attribute can be added for that Address over a Date Period.

However, if you wish to create a Residence Attribute you must Add it, and then copy each separate field from the Census Event.
This includes the Date, Age, Place, Address, Note, and the Source Citation.
Do not try to re-enter the data via AS otherwise all the other Facts, such as Occupation will get duplicated.

An alternative is to edit the GEDCOM file and replace each occurrence of 1 CENS with 1 RESI.
But take a backup copy of the GEDCOM in case you get the editing wrong.

kliddell · Post by **kliddell** » 09 Jul 2011 15:31

It's okay, I fully understand the argument re Census and Residence. My question would be the same were it the other way round ... is it possible to transfer the records for Census to Residence OR vice versa without re-entering all the data?

kliddell · Post by **kliddell** » 09 Jul 2011 16:00

I am sorry, tatewise, I had not seen your response before sending my reply. I agree, you are right on all accounts, but it appears the answer is no, I cannot reverse the entries.
Perhaps I should give my reason for asking. I use my FH file to upload data to the online program TNG (The Next Generation ...). There is a fault in the interpretation by TNG of the gedcom prepared by FH so that the embedded google maps do not read the data correctly, but the legend gives priority to other facts before Address. This does not happen with Residence, I guess because there are no other accompanying data such as Age, Cause of death etc. If there had been an easy way of switching between Census and Residence temporarily, I would have used Residence in my file until the TNG problem is fixed. As it is, I will stick with Census data and just live with the map fault.
Many thanks to Nick Walker and any others who have helped to produce the Ancestral Sources software [smile]
Kath

Post by **tatewise** » 09 Jul 2011 16:09

Ah - I understand!
You could try the edit GEDCOM technique I described above.
However, the Residence would then include the Age field.
So, the 2 AGE *** lines can be deleted from the GEDCOM too.

If you do this editing in a COPY of your GEDCOM prior to upload to TNG then you will not have to switch back, nor risk losing the Age data.

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