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At last, Scotland's 1921 Census has been published today and can now be searched at

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

In case anyone wants, I've quickly created a template for AS, attached. Please let me know if there are any mistakes or changes required, so I can update it.

Thank you!

Thanks for the template - how does one install it in AS? I generally use ones from FH.

Thanks,

Teresa

ColinMc wrote: ↑

30 Nov 2022 14:07

At last, Scotland's 1921 Census has been published today and can now be searched at

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

In case anyone wants, I've quickly created a template for AS, attached. Please let me know if there are any mistakes or changes required, so I can update it.

Census Scotland 1921.xml

If you open AS, and go to the Help item at the top, and type in Census Templates, you will get a list of items below, one of which is titled "Census Templates: Importing."

Click on that and you will see instructions

Colin

Thanks

ColinMc wrote: ↑

01 Dec 2022 16:14

If you open AS, and go to the Help item at the top, and type in Census Templates, you will get a list of items below, one of which is titled "Census Templates: Importing."

Click on that and you will see instructions

Colin

Thank you for this but I've a question having just used it. The National Insurance column seems to want M or F but they say 'yes or no'?

The example on the 1921 census page uses M and F, I assume because it makes it easier to produce the totals at the bottom of the page but it does feel as if it ought to be a Y/N question. You can type anything into the box though in AS, it doesn't have to be an option from the list.

Assuming Colin is happy with me doing this, I'll update AS to include this template. I'll make some minor tweaks to column titles so they match those in the 1921 census. Also the Age column for the template should have the 'Age Includes Month' box ticked.

EDIT: Nick's reply just beat me to it!

The template is correct. The entries in that column should be M or F (or left blank). If you look at the very bottom of the column you will see that there is a box for "Total Insured" specified as the number of Males and number of Females. The enumerators sometimes incorrectly entered Y, or even Yes, but this should have been corrected afterwards.

If you look at the sample page here https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/ ... 921-census you will see an example where the corrections have been made in red ink.

Also, when you are viewing one of the pages of households on Scotlandspeople, if you click through the "Header" pages to the last one (there are four headers in all) you will see a page headed "Example of the mode of entering the Schedules in Enumeration book". This shows that the entries in the column should be M or F.

There is an instruction page which clearly stated that the entries should be M or F or blank if not covered by the NI Act, but I can't find that particular note at the moment.

I did find this reference tho


At the time I made it, it did seem an odd way to document those answers but that does appear to have been the instructions (indeed the ones I have downloaded were all done in that format).

Nick you are more than welcome to make any alts you wish. Must admit I missed the "months reference"!

Are you finding any entries that do use Y/N rather than M/F? I was wondering whether to have all 4 options in the drop-down list to choose from just in case.

I personally have not yet, but if others are, it surely makes sense to Include Y/N, as the far more logical/sensible response to the question. Presumably if Y or N appears then the Householder probably used that on the Schedule, so the enumerator has copied the schedule. The other alternative would suggest that the enumerator has ignored his/her instructions and used Y/N irrespective of what the householder completed!

So you could certainly argue that if Y/N is used, then it should be the correct transcription for our purposes.

I have seen one case where the full words Yes or No had been entered and not corrected. However in most cases Y or N (or Yes or No) have been corrected afterwards. I think the best option is to leave the choice as M or F. The user can still enter something else in the main grid if they want to, otherwise simply make the adjustment in the Autotext.

I've just recorded 2 of the1921 Scottish censuses, one has 'yes/no' and the other 'yes plus M above it' !
So it would be a good idea Nick, to have all on the template, in my opinion. Like the E & W 1921 Census, it seems a lot of the people filling the forms seem to have ignored the instructions.

I've just noticed that there are some columns missing from the template. Between Personal Occupation and Employment there should be a column for Status (W, E or OA for Worker, Employer, Own Account). Also there should be columns for the number of rooms and persons.

Well spotted, thanks.

I have updated my version if anyone wants, but as Nick is going to update the program, then it might be better to wait for the better official version.

Thanks Colin. I edited my last post to mention that the columns for number of rooms and number of persons were also missing. You had probably already made your edit by then, sorry.

As you say, it may be worth waiting until Nick produces his 'official' version.

Here's another thought. In the Scottish 1921 cesuses the column (in the origianl form) for the marriage or orphanage status is a narrow one intended only for letters such as M, BA, MD etc. I have never seen a form where someone has tried to write a full word in that column. But when the auto text is generated it appears as full words, e.g. Married, Both Alive, Mother Dead. So it always needs editing if you want the text to be an exact replica of the original. I think the drop-down menu should offer only the letters.

Does anyone have access to the instructions that describe all the codes that can be entered into the Employment Status column? From the two examples in this thread and also the enumerator book I can see:

OA = Own Account
OW = Out of Work
W = Worker
HW = House Work (but this is crossed out so may be wrong)
E = Employer (I assume?)

The enumerator book mentions:
N=No Occupation
Scholar (S?)
Household Duties (HD?)

HD stands for Home Duties. I can't remember where I found that, but I did eventually find it, and on one schedule I have seen it written in full. It goes in the Personal Occupation column, not the status column. I have not (yet) seen Scholar abbreviated to S.

In the status column I have not seen any letters other than E, W, OW and OA. I think the HW you saw crossed out was probably a mistake.

LornaCraig wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022 20:16

HD stands for Home Duties. I can't remember where I found that, but I did eventually find it, and on one schedule I have seen it written in full. It goes in the Personal Occupation column, not the status column. I have not (yet) seen Scholar abbreviated to S.

In the status column I have not seen any letters other than E, W, OW and OA. I think the HW you saw crossed out was probably a mistake.

Thanks - this makes sense. Re-reading the info from the Enumerator Book the references to Home Duties, Scholar and None are referring to the Personal Occupation column.