* How to turn off Rich Text

[Kai Chandler]

Rich text looks good in FH, but not so great when I export a Gedcom and import to another program. Is there a way to turn it on or off in FH? Is there a way to convert any existing rich text back to plain text?

Thank you

Kai

[ColeValleyGirl]

How are you doing the exports? Fro memory the export plugin handles it but Mike T will be able to clarify.

[Mark1834]

The plain vanilla FH GEDCOM export also has an option to strip out all formatting. Slightly misleadingly, it is labelled “Convert notes to plain text”, but the FH help implies that it works on all Rich Text, not just notes.

[jimlad68]

This has been brought up before
how to remove the results of Integrated Word Processing (19496)
and I raised a ticket
http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/tickets.php?id=63633
Calico attitude was

"....... There is an option "convert notes to plain text" in the Export dialog.
It may be that someone will write a plugin to convert rich text notes to plain text. I'm not aware of one at this point though."

There is also a similar topic re

"_FMT 1" lines in my Gedcom file

I have nearly 2000 of them, even though I have never knowingly entered Rich Text. Apologies I cannot find it now for a link.

I would have thought this to be a standard tidy up procedure provided by the software. I'm afraid my Plugin skills/mentality are not up to much yet, but I suspect after some experiments some simple find+replace commands in a notepad++ macro will do it. When I get around to it I will post them here with the usual testing on a copy caveats.

I suspect that the standard FH gedcom export option "convert notes to plain text" might do more than just remove plain text, so I would not chance to use it to reimport to FH.

[Kai Chandler]

How are you doing the exports? For memory the export plugin handles it but Mike T will be able to clarify.

I wasn't actually exporting from FH. I was simply importing the family historian ged file into other software.

I'll try using the export plug-in and report back.

[Kai Chandler]

I did some more tests today and as far as I can see both ways strip the Rich Text ok.

ie.

A) Exporting the Ged file from FH (File | Import/Export | Export | Gedcom File with Convert note to plain text checked)

B) Using the Export Gedcom File plugin v. 5.0 with Rich Text Formatting set to REMOVE.

I'll try to remember next time!

Thanks

[tatewise]

Depending on the other program, some rich text formatting can be retained using the Export Gedcom File plugin.
Also, if the other program is known to the plugin, then there will be an option to format the GEDCOM in many other ways to transfer data as faithfully as possible and more effectively than the Export > GEDCOM File... command.
Tell me the name of that other program and I can identify the best option for you.

[Kai Chandler]

I was checking the output in Louis Kessler's Behold and it looked fine but ideally I'd like to import it to RootsMagic (7 or 8) so I can run it in a library on a memory stick without installing more software.

thanks

Kai

[tatewise]

Behold does not have a GEDCOM Destination setting in the Export Gedcom File plugin.
I have reviewed its website and the Forum posting https://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=3232 suggests Behold supports GEDCOM 5.5.1 with Media files, plus popular extensions such as Sort Dates, Fact Witnesses, and Place records.
If you are interested, I can explain how to customise the plugin to export a GEDCOM file that exploits all those features.
I may need your assistance in checking which custom settings work best.

RootsMagic does have a GEDCOM Destination setting (RMT) Roots Magic Tree that should produce a GEDCOM file that is very compatible with RM.
See the plugin Help & Advice at https://pluginstore.family-historian.co ... edcom-file and the specific details for RM Destination at https://pluginstore.family-historian.co ... magic-tree where it explains that some Rich Text formatting is retained as RM supports basic font styles like bold, italic & underscore.

[Kai Chandler]

Yes, I'd be interested to know how to customize for Behold, and would be happy to help you with some checks. I have the 45 day evaluation version with 44 days remaining.

Thanks also for the further information in using the plugin to export to RootsMagic. I'd previously run the plugin 'out of the box' but have now found the GEDCOM Destination dropdown! The list of destinations looks very comprehensive. I notice that you have a single RMT (Roots Magic Tree) option. Do you happen to know if that creates a GEDCOM that works with RM8 as well as RM7 ?

[tatewise]

These are my suggestions for exporting a Behold Genealogy compatible GEDCOM file with Media.

It may be best to run these experiments on the Family Historian Sample Project that I know has the necessary features and it is easier for us to compare notes regarding specific data. If all goes well then try your own Project later.

Run the Export Gedcom File plugin as usual.

On the Basic Options tab set the GEDCOM Destination: to (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1

On the Extra Options tab change the following two settings:
4th down on left Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... )
4th down on right Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Delete Record Ident ( RMT TNG )

Return to the Basic Options tab, use Click here to export GEDCOM & Media files... and Close Memo on completion.
That will export to the ...\Public\Export\ folder as before but the GEDCOM will have a CEB UTF8 suffix.

Use that GEDCOM file in Behold Genealogy and review the features.
Especially look for Media images, Fact Witness details, and Place records with Lati/Longitude values.

If the Place record details are in error then try the plugin again but with the following setting:
Extra Options tab, 4th down on right Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Keep Custom Record ( FH6 GST FTA )

Alternatively, try setting Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Gedcom 5.5.1 Lat/Long ( Str AGS FTM etc... )

Note that the settings are remembered from one run to the next.
If you want the settings to be the same in all Projects then on the Manage Settings tab choose Global ProgramData mode.

[Kai Chandler]

Mike, I ran several tests for comparison:

Test 1. File | Import/Export | Export from FH with unchecked Source Template Records and checked Convert note to plain text

Test 2. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all defaults

Test 3. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all GEDCOM Destination = (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1, Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... ), Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Delete Record Ident ( RMT TNG )

Test 4. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all GEDCOM Destination = (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1, Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... ), Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Keep Custom Record ( FH6 GST FTA )

Test 5. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all GEDCOM Destination = (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1, Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... ), Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Gedcom 5.5.1 Lat/Long ( Str AGS FTM etc... )

Something I noticed is that FH exports a Gedcom 'for' Anthony Edward Munro and Julia Amanda (Fish) Munro and Susan Isabel (Dowling) Munro Anderson but the Gedcom File plugin exports a Gedcom 'for' Ian Stephen Munro and Charlotte (Carrington) Munro. Ian Stephen Munro is the FH File Root so that seems more logical.

Detailed results below.

Test 1. File | Import/Export | Export from FH with unchecked Source Template Records and checked Convert note to plain text

Report is for Anthony Edward Munro and Julia Amanda (Fish) Munro and Susan Isabel (Dowling) Munro Anderson

Media images resolve as expected eg. Object C:\Users\Master\Dropbox\Family Historian Projects\Family Historian Sample Project\Family Historian Sample Project.fh_data\Media\Certificates\O20_Birth_Certificate_Ian_Stephen_Munro.png. Format: png. Title: Birth Certificate Ian Stephen Munro. KEYS: Picture Last Update Fri 26 Sep 2014. at: 15:16:31
Object ID is: O20. SEQ: 1

Witness example:
Census in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Fri 7 Apr 1871, age 38 to 41. Address: 51a The Backs Share @130605376ROLE Resident@ Share @130605536ROLE Resident@ Share @130605696ROLE Resident@ Share @130605856ROLE Resident@
Source: Census: 1871 Scotland RG99-12345-342 - Munro S9

Place Record example:

Australia, South Australia, Adelaide
PLAC.MAP. PLAC.LATI: S34.9720592. PLAC.LONG: E138.603302
PLAC.CHAN. PLAC.DATE: 23 SEP 2014. PLAC.TIME: 16:35:49
Birth: 1887

Test 2. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all defaults

Report is for Ian Stephen Munro and Charlotte (Carrington) Munro

Media images resolve as expected eg. Object C:\Users\Master\Dropbox\Family Historian Projects\Family Historian Sample Project\Public\Export\0O20 O20_Birth_Certificate_Ian_Stephen_Munro.png. Format: png. Title: Birth Certificate Ian Stephen Munro
Note: Keywords: Picture
Note: Source Type: Birth Certificate.

Witness example:
Census in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. , Fri 7 Apr 1871, age 38 to 41
Source: Ω Place Record: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland S57. Address: 51a The Backs
Note: Witness Role: Resident [I79] Mary (MUNRO)
Witness Role: Resident [I52] Charles William Smith MUNRO
Witness Role: Resident [I99] Michael Smith MUNRO
Witness Role: Resident [I80] Thomas Smith MUNRO
Source: Census: 1871 Scotland RG99-12345-342 - Munro S9

Place Record example:
Australia, South Australia, Adelaide
PLAC.MAP. PLAC.LATI: S34.9720592. PLAC.LONG: E138.603302
PLAC.CHAN. PLAC.DATE: 23 SEP 2014. PLAC.TIME: 16:35:49
Birth: 1887

Test 3. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all GEDCOM Destination = (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1, Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... ), Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Delete Record Ident ( RMT TNG )

Report is for Ian Stephen Munro and Charlotte (Carrington) Munro

Media images resolve as Test 2

Witness example:
Witness:
Marriage:
Anthony Edward Munro MUN-17 to Julia Amanda (Fish) Munro MUN-17
Last Update: Wed 28 Oct 2015


Place Record example:
S36 Ω Place Record: Adelaide,South Australia, Australia
Source ID is: S87.
Author: Place Rec Id [P54].
Map Plot:.
Latitude: S34.9720592
Longitude: E138.603302
Note: Source Type: Place Details.
Last Update Tue 23 Sep 2014. at: 16:35:49


Test 4. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all GEDCOM Destination = (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1, Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... ), Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Keep Custom Record ( FH6 GST FTA )

Place Record example:
Australia, South Australia, Adelaide
PLAC.MAP. PLAC.LATI: S34.9720592. PLAC.LONG: E138.603302
PLAC.CHAN. PLAC.DATE: 23 SEP 2014. PLAC.TIME: 16:35:49
Birth: 1887
Jenny Katherine (Rowling) Dowling MUN-43

Test 5. Export Gedcom File 5.0 plugin with all GEDCOM Destination = (CEB) Custom Export Bravo GEDCOM 5.5.1, Witness Role 2 _SHA%u: Keep Custom Tags ( FH6 FTA etc... ), Place Record 0 @P%d+@: Gedcom 5.5.1 Lat/Long ( Str AGS FTM etc... )


Place Record example:
Australia, South Australia, Adelaide
Birth: 1887
Jenny Katherine (Rowling) Dowling MUN-43. Lat: S34.9720592. Long: E138.603302
Occupation: Infantry man, 10th Battalion (Australia), Number 561138. between Tue 25 Aug 1914 and Tue 27 Apr 1915
Alexander James Dowling MUN-43 (age 29, married 3y to Jenny Katherine). Lat: S34.9720592. Long: E138.603302
Source: Army Service Records: Alexander James Dowling S2

Were you thinking of adding a setting for Behold in a future version of the plugin?

[tatewise]

Yes, after some further analysis of what are the best settings then a GEDCOM Destination: (BHG) Behold Genealogy could be added to the plugin.

A lot depends on Forum posting https://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=3232 in which some fixes are due in Behold V1.3.
e.g.
7. The non-standard shared event tag, e.g. 1 CENS 2 _SHAR @I124@ is not being displayed correctly by Behold. This will be fixed.
i.e. Fact Witnesses 2 _SHAR are not currently supported.
11. I’m not displaying the tags under a non-standard top level 0 _PLAC structure correctly. This includes 1 MAP, 2 LATI, 2 LONG and 1 NOTE tags under the 0 _PLAC record.
12. Non-standard place links such as: _PLAC @P142@ that link to the 0 _PLAC records should have been working in Behold, but the display of these links needs to be improved.
i.e. Place Records.

Please check the Media images, especially for the Link to Face head & shoulders part frames.
e.g. Ian Stephen MUNRO aged 7, 9 & 52
Those should appear as head & shoulders in Behold rather than the full frame group image.

[Kai Chandler]

EDIT: As far as I know Behold doesn't display images however the file links seem to resolve to the head and shoulders (not full) image ok.

I understand from Louis that 1.3 is some months away.

[tatewise]

Actually, those Object links resolve to the Link to Face head & shoulder cropped images created by the plugin.
The FH File > Import/Export > Export > GEDCOM File... command does not crop images like that.

The https://www.beholdgenealogy.com/future.php does mention photo/picture handling but not until Version 2.0.
It also mentions fixes for the https://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=3232 posting but not until Version 1.5.

So it is not entirely clear what will be the best settings just now.
If you are not expecting to buy Behold then I could use best guess settings, review when new versions are released, and I could review a free trial when it looks like significant new features have been added.

[ColeValleyGirl]

I can't promise to test quickly, but I own a copy of Behold (v 1.2.7) so can test if necessary... and (If somebody reminds me) as new versions are released.

[Kai Chandler]

Actually, those Object links resolve to the Link to Face head & shoulder cropped images created by the plugin.

My mistake, yes the file links resolve to the head and shoulders (not full) image. I've edited my earlier post to correct. Thanks.