* Add media to both source and citation

[BakerJL75]

I wish to add my media to both the source and the citation. Is there an easy way to do that? Or is the only way to link to the source and then link to the citation? For the curious, I plan to use John Cardinal's Second Site for web design. It handles multiple media attached to the citation very well, without duplication. But I would also like to utilize FH individual narratives, which displays multiple exhibits from the citation. However, I've found if I set FH to only use the source media, and Second Site to only use the Citation media, it all works great. As far as I can tell, so far, anyway. Except I have to add it to both.

[ColeValleyGirl]

There isn't an easy way to do this -- a plugin could be written, but it's a very unusual requirement so would be a one-off I suspect.

For accuracy's sake, are you using SecondSite or GedSite? GedSite is better for working with FH because it has some specific features to handle FH files when used in conjunction with the Export Gedcom File plugin.

[tatewise]

I endorse what Helen says about using GedSite and the Export Gedcom File plugin.

FH Individual Reports should have enough options to display Citation Media exhibits the way you prefer.
Could you give some more details about the Report settings and output that you find unsatisfactory?
Some of your descriptions are imprecise about what you want to happen, e.g. "FH individual narratives, which displays multiple exhibits from the citation". Is that what you like or what you don't want?
I'm unclear about how many Media exhibits are being linked.
Is it one item linked to the Source and then the same one item linked to each Citation that invokes that Source?

[BakerJL75]

I'm sorry. I did mean GedSite. Used Second Site years ago when I was using TMG. And I do use the Export Gedcom File plugin.
Let's see if I can accurately explain. Excuse me if I get some of the terminology wrong. I understand a source vs a citation in genealogy, but am not clear about them in FH.

I have a draft record with Source Record [813] attached.

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The record has no citation fields.

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The media is attached as citation only. (I double checked)

The next event is Residence which uses the same source record [813].
I go to publish, Narrative Reports, Individual Narrative

Options as follows:

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The draft fact is listed in the sources with the citation and has the media displayed. The residence fact is listed in the sources, but says Ibid but it also has the media displayed.

To try to clarify the report sources section looks like:

12. "WWII Draft Registration Cards," images, Fold3 (https://fold3.com: accessed 29 May 2017), card for Russell Roy McDonald, serial no. 779, order no. 13203, County Board no. 9, Springdale, Pennsylvania; citing draft registration cards compiled from multiple registrations beginning in 1940, for men 18 to 45 years old.
Picture of front of draft card, Picture of back of draft card.
13. Ibid.
Picture of front of draft card, Picture of back of draft card.

To my mind since they are both source [813], and the program recognizes the residence citation as Ibid. the second set of identical media should not be displayed.

Additionally I notice if I change the media in one of the facts (add a second image for example) it is not reflected in the other fact citation.
At this point I assume my thinking that [813] is the same database record and that the two different citations point to it is incorrect, and that it is two records, both numbered [813].

Hence my plan to use Source Media items for FH, and Citation Media items for Gedsite, since it does recognize the second citation as the same and does not display the picture again. And I'll use the options in both programs to control if the use source or citation media.

[tatewise]

First, may I correct your penultimate paragraph.
It is NOT possible for two records to have the same Record Id [813].
So there is only one Source record and the two Citations link to it.
The Citations are two separate entities and may have fields with different values, but since you are using Method 1 'splitter' they would normally all be the same and mostly empty.

Can we tackle this problem on two fronts: (1) FH and (2) GedSite.

In my opinion, the FH Source tab setting to Combine Identical Citations should do exactly that.
It applies the rule correctly to the Entry Date, Assessment, Where within Source, etc.
But FH is not applying that rule to the attached identical images, which I think is a faulty implementation.
Please can you report that fault to Calico Pie via http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php?

It seems odd that GedSite does not handle Media exhibits attached to Source records.
Could you contact John Cardinal regarding that issue? He is usually very responsive.

Once we have their replies, the strategy will become somewhat clearer.
It would be a lot of work to replicate the Media exhibits in every Citation and Source record.
If either FH or GedSite could resolve the problem then that replication is reduced.

If there really is no other solution, then the Export Gedcom File might be able to replicate all Source record Media in the exported Citations for GedSite. That way you will only need to add Media to the Source records.

[BakerJL75]

In my opinion, the FH Source tab setting to Combine Identical Citations should do exactly that.
It applies the rule correctly to the Entry Date, Assessment, Where within Source, etc.
But FH is not applying that rule to the attached identical images, which I think is a faulty implementation.
Please can you report that fault to Calico Pie via http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php?

That is very good news and I will report it.

It seems odd that GedSite does not handle Media exhibits attached to Source records.
Could you contact John Cardinal regarding that issue? He is usually very responsive.

GedSite handles the media exhibits attached to source records or citations perfectly. It displays the information about the person and puts the citations at the bottom of the "person page". A reader only has to keep scrolling to see the media. The sources are displayed in a separate section like a Bibliography. And it displays media perfectly as well. But a reader would have to deliberately go look at the sources and I suspect the casual reader would not, so I like my media with the citations.

Once we have their replies, the strategy will become somewhat clearer.
It would be a lot of work to replicate the Media exhibits in every Citation and Source record.
If either FH or GedSite could resolve the problem then that replication is reduced.

Yes. I have plenty to do otherwise so I will see what Calico Pie says.

[tatewise]

Try asking John Cardinal whether it is possible for GedSite to put Source records & Media at the bottom of the "person page" like Citations instead of separately. You might discover it is an alternative option.

[BakerJL75]

Thanks, I'll mention it.