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"Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 09 Feb 2021 11:13
by redvanman
Can anyone explain what this field is for?
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I can't create a new role without specifying some value for it, but I don't see it anywhere after that. The dialogue says that it appears in the fact tab of the property box, but I don't see it there, but even if it did, what purpose does it serve? The help information sheds no more light on this.

Thanks
Alyn

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 09 Feb 2021 11:30
by ColeValleyGirl
Witness Roles Dialog shows it in use.

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 09 Feb 2021 11:58
by redvanman
Witness Roles Dialog shows it in use.
So it does - but that doesn't really explain what it's for.
Alyn

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 09 Feb 2021 12:03
by ColeValleyGirl
See also the help at Edit Role Dialog
Past Tense When mentioning that a person was a Witness at a given event or attribute in the Facts tab of the Property Box, the word or phrase entered as "Past Tense" will be placed before a short description of the event or attribute. So, a suitable value for a bridesmaid, say, might be "Was bridesmaid at" or even just "Bridesmaid at".
The Help button on the dialog for which you posted the screenshot takes you to this Help.

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 09 Feb 2021 17:15
by redvanman
Thanks Helen,
I had actually read the help information you quoted, but I am still struggling with
the word or phrase entered as "Past Tense" will be placed before a short description of the event or attribute.
Where does this short description appear? Is it in a sentence in a narrative report? In a summary report? Somewhere else?
So, a suitable value for a bridesmaid, say, might be "Was bridesmaid at" or even just "Bridesmaid at".
This suggests that it's used in a sentence, but which sentence? Is there a sentence template code for it?

My difficulty is that I am defining a new witness role and FH insists that I enter something here, but whatever I put there doesn't appear in any of the sentences I use, so I am at a loss to decide what to put there.

Alyn

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 09 Feb 2021 21:12
by mjashby
Alyn,

Have you tried the Family Historian 'Help', from the Top Menu Bar? Select the Search Tab in Family Historian Help option and search for 'Witness' The first selection that pops up should be 'Sentence Template Codes'. Select that entry and you'll find a very clear explanation of what the Witness sentence can produce once 'coded'.

Mervyn

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 10 Feb 2021 14:48
by redvanman
Mervyn,
Thank you for replying. I refer to the help regularly, and the page you mentioned is a regular port of call for me. Sadly, it does not answer my question.
Alyn

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 10 Feb 2021 16:33
by AdrianBruce
redvanman wrote:
09 Feb 2021 17:15
... Where does this short description appear? Is it in a sentence in a narrative report? In a summary report? Somewhere else?
...
Firstly see me setting up (in v6) the role "Prosecutor" for my Court Martial event:
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You will see that the Past Tense is Prosecuted (with a "D", and it says "Used in Fact tab of Property Box". What's not so helpful is that it doesn't say whose Property Box. It is, in fact, the Property Box of the witness.

Then if I set up a Court Martial Event and record Horace Rumpole as a witness with the role "Prosecutor" (can't be the real Rumpole as he only appeared for the defence I believe?) this is what you will see in Horace Rumpole's property box.
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The Past Tense of Prosecuted appears in the one line Fact description in the Property Box of the Witness and the expanded version below.

Re: "Past tense" field in New Role dialogue

Posted: 15 Feb 2021 09:33
by redvanman
Adrian,
Thank you for your lucid explanation. It now makes sense to me.
Alyn