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Hello
I am working with an 'All Relatives' diagram and for some reason it is not showing the expansion of ancestors for one particular person. This is a wife of the main line, but her parents and forebears just do not come up even though I have added the people concerned. It is doing the correct thing for other persons, but just not this one.
Clearly I have done something wrong in the data entry - but I just can't see what.
Any Ideas ?
Cheers
Peter
PS I have just noticed that the expansion buttons - which are set to 'on' - do not appear above this particular box nor for her husband, but do appear every where else.

Hi Peter.
Are you sure she is a spouse of a direct Ancestor and not a spouse of a spouse of a direct Ancestor?
The direct Ancestor boxes are green, so is her husband's box green or is it beige?

As Mike says, she might be a 'spouse of a spouse' of a direct ancestor.
But another possibility is that she is indeed a spouse of a direct ancestor but not the particular spouse from whom you are descended. (In other words your male ancestor had another spouse before or after the one from whom you are descended.) In that case she herself is not a direct ancestor so her own ancestors will not be displayed in the diagram.

It is rumoured that such exceptions may be remedied in FH V7

Hello again
I did write a reply, but It seems to have vanished.
Anyway, I can confirm that the spouse in question is the direct grandmother to the root, only marriage with the root's grandfather. Relationships in my diagrams are always set by the diagram option "relationship to file root".
If you could advise me how to do it, I could send you a PDF of the diagram, if this would help.

Re Tatewise's comment on V.7: are you suggesting this is a software fault? - it would be very strange, in that I have done over 70 family history projects using the wonderful FH - and never encountered anything like this before.

Regards
Peter (maybe I'm just getting senile - or virused)

She may be the direct grandmother of the file root, but who is the diagram root? She needs to be a direct ancestor of the diagram root for her own ancestors to show in the diagram. If you select the file root as the diagram root does that solve the problem?

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Hi Lorna
She is grandmother to the file root
Peter

OK, so I think you have selected James DENNY and Nellie ROY as the root couple of the All Relatives diagram (or perhaps the root is their son William Roy DENNY. I use a different colour scheme in my diagrams, so it's hard to tell). But if the problem person is Karin BLACKBOURN her ancestors will not be included in the diagram becasue she is not a 'blood relative' of the diagram root, so her own ancestors are not 'blood relatives' of the diagram root. (She is the daughter-in-law of James and Nellie, and the wife of William.)

If you select William Roy DENNY and Karin Elizabeth BLACKBOURN as the diagram root couple, Karin's ancestors should show up. Alternatively, select their son Hamish Roy DENNY as the diagram root.

Hi Lorna
If you look at the diagram I attached - the selected root is James Gardner Denny and he is the grandson of Karin Blackbourn and William Roy Denny - so there is a direct familial connection. The colours of the chart are irrelevant - I simply use a colour scheme of my own - but you will see that I highlighted in yellow both the root and the problem direct relative - his grandmother.

Peter

With your diagram displayed click on Karin to select the box and press the Ancestors and Descendants Icon to create a new chart. What is shown?

I know James Denny is the file root but I don't believe he is the diagram root. If he was the diagram root there would be an expansion button shown at every link between generations above him, so that each generation could be closed off. But there is no expansion button between William Roy Denny and William's parents James Risk Denny and Nellie Scott Roy. That is why I believe the diagram root is either William Roy Denny or his parents, as a couple.

Please try selecting either James, or his father Hamish, (or his grandparents William and Karin as a couple) as the root of the diagam. Click the box of either James, or Hamish, (or both William and Karin) to select him/them, then generate a new diagram. In your original post you said it was an All Relatives diagram but it is probably an Ancestors and Descendants diagram, because there are no siblings displayed in any generation.

Hello Lorna and Jane
You did it !!
I actually went back to my file root - James Gardner Denny - and then made a new diagram by selecting 'All Relatives' - and there they all are !
My silly fault.

Many Thanks to you all who have taken the time to help with my self-inflicted problem; after all these years, I never realised that the file root and the diagram root can be different. And this has never happened to me before in any of my diagrams.

I wish you all good health and, again, many thanks
Peter George

Hello Peter, I'm glad you got there in the end.

There is one other thing I was going to suggest, although it's not needed now. In your example you could have tried clicking the expansion button just above James Denny jnr. If he was the diagram root everyone above him would have disappeared from the diagram. But if the diagram root was someone above him (which it was) James himself would disappear!

Peter, you clearly have your own box colour scheme, but the default box colours indicate the Diagram Root, Ancestor, Descendant & Spouse boxes in distinctive colours. So, in future, remember to try a variant of the same Diagram with Installation Settings and they may help resolve such mysteries as you found here.

If you want the four main toolbar buttons to produce your preferred customised Diagrams, then it is quite easy to create a Custom Diagram Type with all the Installation Settings for each diagram style, and that are available in the View > Standard Diagram Types menu.

Noted - Many Thanks
Peter