* Odd behaviour adding a citation

[mezentia]

I often use Ancestral Sources to add children to a family when they appear on a census and they are not already part of my database. I will then find the GRO birth index entry for the new additions and add a GRO source citation to give the details of the registration of their birth. However, I find on occasion that when I try to add a citation to the birth fact, the census citation shown in the individual's Source pane disappears and is replaced by two or sometimes three empty GRO source references. Deselecting and reselecting the individual shows that the census citation is still there, and I can then go on the record properly the GRO citation. This behaviour seems to occur when I'm adding the GRO citations for several individuals in succesion. The fact that this behaviour seems to follow adding people via Ancestral Sources my be coincidental, but I've not actualy noticed it in any other circumstances.

Has anyone else observed this behaviour? I know V7 is on its way, but is it worth reporting this to Calico Pie at this time?

[tatewise]

Can you be a bit more precise about your process?
Exactly how are you adding the GRO Index Citation?
You mention empty GRO source references but what are they and how empty are they?
Do you mean GRO Citations and what is empty - no Source record link, no Entry Date, no Assessment, no Where within Source, etc...

Might it occur at the same time as an AutoSave?
Try disabling AutoSave and see if the problem still occurs.

Don't put off reporting a problem just because FH V7 is imminent.

[mezentia]

Having added one or more individuals via a seperate instance of Ancestral Sources, not running the AS add-in, I return to FH. I get a message to say that the file has been modified outside of FH, do I want to reload the file, to which I answer yes. When the file has loaded, I switch to the records window, filter to the family I'm working on and select the parent, usually the father, of the family to display his property form. I then move down the list of newly added children, clicking in the Birth column. A source citation referring to the census information just entered will have been added by AS and this shows in the Source pane. I click Add Citation, press G and scroll to my GRO source in the Source records list, and click on the GRO source record. It's at this point that the original census source citation disappears from the source citation list, and two or three empty GRO citations appear. By empty, I mean that there is no data associated with the citation, the Entry Date, Assessment, etc., fields are all blank. Closing the Property window and re-selecting the individual re-instates the citations added by AS, and usually I can add my GRO citation successfully.

I can't say if this occurs when autosave is in operation, but I will turn it off the next time I anticipate going through this procedure again and try to take a set of screenshots to illustrate more clearly the behaviour I'm experiencing.

[tatewise]

When you say "press G and scroll to my GRO source in the Source records list, and click on the GRO source record" is that last click actually a double-click, because a single click would do nothing?

When the "original census source citation disappears ..., and two or three empty GRO citations appear" is the Sources For box still saying <child name>: Birth or has it changed to something else?

I get a similar effect, but so far only if the Child's Birth column entry is blank because the Birth Event has no Date.
The Sources For pane changes to the <whole record> citation for the parent record.
On reselecting the Child's Birth column entry, the GRO Birth Index citation is OK.

[mezentia]

I've noticed that the Sources For box does change from Birth to All sources depending from where I'm trying to add the citation. From the individual's property record, it works as I expect. However, if it's from clicking in the date against a child's birth in the parent's property window, it seems that's when the Sources For changes its focus, although this does not seem to be consistent. So, that pretty much answers the question about the source disappearing. As for the other problem, I'm still trying to replicate that. However as I expect to be enjoying staying in a lot more for the next three months or so, it may be I will have to find time to experiment a lmore extensively

[tatewise]

I guess by All you mean <whole record> citation?

Your description is consistent with mine, but the change of focus only happens when the Child's Birth Event has no Date. For me, it is very consistent with that condition. It does not change focus if the Child has a Birth Date.
So, in summary, the citations never disappear, but simply go out of focus, and are present & correct when the Child Birth citations are brought back into focus.

What is the other problem you are trying to replicate?

[SilverSchnauzer]

When I add a source citation and then click save to the project the source citation is not there, it disappears from the person in the focus window. I have tried to re-enter it again but it never stays there. How do you get it to save? The sample project in Family Historian has all of the source citations saved in the project.

[tatewise]

Adding a Source is different from adding a Citation so you need to be clear about what commands you are using.
Once correctly created they are Saved within your Project.

Please describe exactly which commands or buttons you are using, otherwise we cannot guess what you are doing.
Every menu, command, and button has a label you can use.

I suspect you may be using the Add > Source... command from the main menu.
That will create a Source record but not link it to a Fact with a Citation.
You will find those unconnected Source records in the Records Window on the Sources tab.

Or maybe you are clicking the Add Citation button in the yellow Source Citations pane attached to the Property Box.

[SilverSchnauzer]

I am adding a source for the whole record from data entry in the property box. When I save the project the source doesn't save.

[tatewise]

Sorry, I don't understand what you are doing. There is no button called 'data entry'.
Please tell me the names/labels of the buttons or menu options you are using.
You know what you are clicking but I don't. So explain what you are doing similar to my description below.

If adding a Source as a whole Record Citation then in the screenshot below these are the steps I would take underlined in red:

1. In the Sources For: list I would choose <whole record>
2. Then below that click the yellow scroll Add Citation button.
3. In the popup Select source... box I would click New... to create a new Source record.

When complete I would click the blue Save button at very top left.

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[SilverSchnauzer]

Thank you very much that worked fine.

[SilverSchnauzer]

Now I am wondering why I can't write a note in the note field for certain individuals in my software.

[tatewise]

Please start a new posting for that new topic.
But again please describe exactly what you are doing!!!