* Family Group Sheet - adding events to it

[kfunk_ia]

Last night, at 2am, I was able to add Burial to my family group sheet. I removed it because I did not like the fact that the cemetery name (which is in the address field) doesn't appear where I want it to. Now, I want to put it back and for the life of me, I can not figure out how I got it there. Can someone clue me in on how to do this, or ask what details you need to know about how I have report options chosen?

And while I am at it, it there anyway to edit the template so that the Burial (or even the birth and death events) show differently? For example I want something like:

Burial 03 Jan 2020 Westview Cemetery, Kirkville, Wapello County, Iowa

What I get is:

Burial 03 Jan 2020 Kirkville, Wapello County, Iowa
Westview Cemetery

Of course there are spaces between the fact name, date and place, but I can't figure out how to make the stay there when I submit the post.

What I prefer to do is to be able to access the template, make the changes I want and then save it as a custom report. I did figure out how to make changes and save as custom report, but I can't make all that I want to make. I prefer my family group sheet to look more like the standard family group sheets that I have been using since 1983, and that most genealogy program I have looked at, can reproduce.

[LornaCraig]

To add Burial to the Family Group sheet use Report Options > Contens tab, the Family Member Main Items section and Add, as shown below:

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Unfortunately the Address (Westview Cemetery) cannot be moved to the same line as the other details in this type of report. It is governed by the Additonal info for Events/Attributes section, where Addresses and Notes can be excluded completely or, if shown, placed on the next line or in a section of their own after the main section of the report.

[tatewise]

Lorna has said how to add Burial as a labelled entry at the top, but I guess you want it in the list of facts below.
For that use Report Options > Contents tab Family Member Events/Attributes section.
Now it depends on whether you are using the List Only or Exclude List option.
If the former, then Edit List and add Burial back into list.
If the latter, then Edit List and remove Burial from list.

The only way to get an Address like Westview Cemetery to appear on the same line as the Place details would be to overhaul your whole database so that the entire address & place are held in the Place field with the Address field empty, but that is a major exercise with several ramifications.

[kfunk_ia]

I actually munged something together. I can't get the date of the burial, but that is ok. I don't have many actual burial dates, so I can live with that..

I did the following:
=Text("******************************************".%INDI.BURI[1].ADDR%.", ".%INDI.BURI[1].PLAC>%)

The string of *'s actually are spaces and the spaces are to just push the burial over so it aligns with the places for birth and death. There may be a more eloquent way of doing it but I didn't research quite enough yet.

Now my only issue is to get the Burial below the Birth and Death facts. Baby steps!

[tatewise]

I think you have followed Lorna's advice that puts Burial at the top.
Please follow my alternative advice and the Burial will be below the Birth and Death facts.

[kfunk_ia]

No, what I did was used Buried, not Burial so that I could create the address/place concatenation. Buried is what Lorna's example shows. Burial can not be edited because it does not show up in the 'Family Member Main Items (in order)'. SO I have Burial on the exclude list and have added the custom Buried to the above section.

I have not learned how to post screen shots yet or I would do so.

[tatewise]

Follow the advice in info:forums#posting_topics|> Posting Topics to add attachment screenshots.

You have two options:

1. Use Family Member Main Items (in order) that allows Address & Place concatenation, but appears at the top with the Father: & Mother: labels (notice the colons).
2. Use Family Member Events/Attributes that puts Address on a separate line, but appears in date order after the Birth and Death facts (without colons).

The only other way is to include option 1. entries for every fact, but may not be in date order, and exclude all facts from dated list 2. option.

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[kfunk_ia]

For now I am going to use the Buried option with the concatenated address, or I will generate the desired reports via FTM or RM since they both follow the standard FGS format that I have been using for all these years. I chalk this up to one of the weaknesses in using GED file as the 'database'. Maybe someday the standard will be such that what I want is feasible.

I would be willing to live with the two line option if I could get the address to print under the place name instead of the date, but that also appears to not be an option.

In the mean time, FH does give me more options in regards to custom queries so I will use it for that purpose. While I wait for RM 8 and FH 7 to be born.

[tatewise]

It is nothing to do with FH using GEDCOM as its database, but simply that the FH Report format cannot be customised exactly the way you prefer. Maybe FH V7 will offer more options.
I presume you know that it is best to use the Export Gedcom File Plugin to migrate to FTM or RM?

[LornaCraig]

Mike, I note the interesting change you have made to the FH sample project!
Michael Pleasance Munro buried in Lewisham, Glasgow, England. Last time I looked Lewisham was in London and Glasgow was in Scotland

[tatewise]

Yes, I make alterations to the FH Sample Project to discover how various features work. That change got left behind.
I think it was trying to investigate how Place geocoding coped with conflicting column parts.

[kfunk_ia]

Actually it does have to do with GED as database. It limits how one can store information, specifically pushing place details into an address field to maintain GEDCOM compliance. Using some type of relational database allows for a lot more freedom in how to store something.

The formatting of the report may have something to do with it, but on the other hand, that formatting is not the standard that is normally used, at least not on the west side of the really big pond. So far FH is the only genealogy program that I have found that does not easily allow me to do what I described which is the way we were doing it back in paper days before computers inserted themselves into our hobby.

[tatewise]

Please don't take these comments the wrong way, but simply as a technological discussion.

There is nothing in GEDCOM compliance that demands use of both Place and Address fields.
If it works better for you, then put everything in the Place field and leave Address blank.
Many FH users do that for reasons of Place geocoding, Report formatting, and compatibility with other products that don't support the Address field.

However, RootsMagic has both Place and separate Place details (which is just like Address).
Its Report format concatenates them together, proving that data format is distinct from report format.

If FH V7 allows Address & Place to be concatenated in Reports like RootsMagic would that be OK?

The type of database implementation is irrelevant. It is the genealogy application program that determines what data and report formats are available to the user.

Sorry to be pedantic, but it seems that you prefer standards only when they suit you.
You like compliance with Report standards, but not compliance with GEDCOM standards.
If it were not for GEDCOM you would probably not be able to migrate between RootsMagic and FH so easily.