* Correcting Where Within Source for Name Only Witnesses

[David Potter]

Hi Forum

Can I please ask for assistance in how to correct missing Where Within Source data for Witnesses who are Names only and not Individuals within the Database. Records Description Type = (_SHAN). Because there in no Local Event for the Named Witness I can't access the Source Citation to make the correction. Any help most welcome.

See attached.

BR

David

[tatewise]

Yes, there are two routes:

1. Right-click on the Hugh B Biddell cell in the Result Set and choose Locate in All Tab.
2. For Gordon Edward POTTER locate and right-click the Marriage Event (I presume) and choose Witnesses then select Hugh B Biddell.

In both cases the Citation should appear in the Sources For yellow pane.

The two routes work for both types of Witness (_SHAR and _SHAN).

One snag associated with some Source Citations (such as these Witness ones) is they do NOT appear in the Sources section of Reports.

[AdrianBruce]

Oh dear. I got it wrong - contents deleted.

[tatewise]

Sorry Adrian, you are incorrect. Each Witness (_SHAR or _SHAN tag) can have its own distinct Source Citation. May I suggest your reply is deleted as it is misleading. See my reply.

You can add Source Citations to many more items than you realise.
You can add a Source Citation to a Place field (but NOT a Date field).
However, you must use the All tab to do it.

[David Potter]

Thank you both for your replies. I confirm Mikes method works fine and is probably the easiest to use.

BR

David

[AdrianBruce]

... Each Witness (_SHAR or _SHAN tag) can have its own distinct Source Citation.
...
You can add a Source Citation to a Place field (but NOT a Date field).
However, you must use the All tab to do it.

Apologies for that Mike - I went and checked the UI for the witnesses, brought the form up and saw no means of adding the citation there, which confirmed what I thought the situation was. ("Confirmation bias"?) I had not realised that the yellow source pane was released for use, as it were. I suspect I was expecting that form to be modal...

Yes, I've seen the ability to stick Source Citations into odd places but since it permits only citations against a place in a fact, but not against the date (as you say), nor against the value of an attribute, then I'd over-summarised it in my mind. Point taken. And as you point out, sticking these things in via the All tab is fine but if you don't see the stuff in a report - but presumably only via a query - it becomes a bit of a moot point.

[tatewise]

@Adrian - A number of the more recent popup dialogues are non-modal, and Witnesses is one of them, which allows other operations to be performed without adding extra buttons to the popup dialogue, which would be needed if it was modal.

The problem that Reports Omit Some Source Citations is well documented:
Sourcing the parent-child relationship (11304)
Source for notes included in reports (6303)
Wish List Ref 432 Source for notes included in reports (go vote for it)
I have submitted log [#303469] Reports Omit Some Source Citations and Simon said "Thanks Mike. I've logged it and we'll look into it." but nothing has happened.

Yes, any Source Citations will appear in the Sources For pane, in Queries, in Diagrams, in Plugin Result Sets such as Where Used Record Links, but some are omitted by Reports.

[AdrianBruce]

Just upvoted #432. I must have missed that one as I'm sure it's an issue I've found irritating myself.

I'll watch out for non-modal forms, thanks - I'm not a fan of splitting functionality between two forms, which is what happens in the above usages, but equally I take the point that the Witness form would have had to grow massively to accommodate the yellow source-pane.

[tatewise]

Don't think of the Witness dialogue like that, but simply a box associated with a fact, in the same way the fields at the bottom of the Facts tab are associated with a fact. The Witness dialogue could have been added to the bottom of the Facts tab, but most screens would not accommodate it there, so it floats. I guess you know that as you select different facts the Witness dialogue follows suit without closing and reopening it? In much the same way the fields at the bottom of the Facts tab do.

There is another anomaly.
Add any Source Citation to a fact Place field &/or local Note field via the All tab.
Then whichever tab you choose, the Sources For drop-list includes (Fact Place*) &/or (Fact Note*) and if selected will display the Source Citation.
When you click on a Name field, or record local Note field, or any fact, then the associated Sources For entry is shown.
BUT, and this is the anomaly, click on a fact Place or Note field and its Sources For entry is NOT shown.