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I'm trying to list the witnesses to marriage events in my diagrams.
I've nicked Tatewise's template (Thank you)

These are a little different for Family events such as Marriage and Divorce.
Template: Marr. Witness: %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAR[1+]% - %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAR[1+].ROLE%. %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAR[1+].NOTE2%

I have name only witnesses so used _SHAN references instead. However I can't get it to loop. It only shows the first witness. Explicitly using _SHAN[2] etc solves the problem, but why isn't the original attempt OK?

V6 under Windows7

Brian

PS I haven't been able to find references to _SHAN in the help pages. Is it there?

Marriage Witnesses loop OK for me using:
Marr. Witness: %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAN[1+]% - %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAN[1+].ROLE%. %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAN[1+].NOTE2%

You won't find _SHAR or _SHAN tags in the Help pages, but they are in each Data Reference Assistant.

For Text Scheme Templates click the <<Insert button to open Data Ref Assistant.
Then for Marriage Witnesses expand Current Family as Spouse + Events + Marriage + Witness (name only) and the Data Reference tags are shown at the top.
Remember these only ever show 1st instance [1] tags and must be edited by hand for looping [1+] or 2nd [2] or 3rd [3] instances, etc.
You can also select Witness> and expand to Role and Note, etc.

However, there is a bug and when you click the Insert button FH says it is not valid, so Copy & Paste the Data Ref instead. See FH V6 Diagram Broken Data Refs (12009).

Still doesn't work.

Using the assistant as you suggested meant the template changed slightly to
%CUR_SP_FAMS>MARR._SHAN[1+]% rather than %CUR_FAMS>MARR._SHAN[1+]%

but still shows only one witness.
%CUR_SP_FAMS>MARR._SHAN[2]% shows the second.

Are there any other flags/boxes I need to set/tick?

I got started by cloning one of the BMD options, and adding the above.


Hmmmm.
I started again with the simple name only option, cloned it, and added the above template.
It worked.

??

Brian

On investigating further, I had group with previous line ticked. The previous line being the marriage detail templates I had cloned from my BMD options set.
Unticking solved the problem.

??

Brian

Yes, Group with previous line and Only output if previous iteme blank disrupt the looping.

You must have chosen Current Spouse's Family as Spouse and not Current Family as Spouse that I advised.

I am not sure under what circumstances it matters, but I would advise using my suggestion.

You must have chosen Current Spouse's Family as Spouse and not Current Family as Spouse that I advised.

I tried both. No difference.

Anyway, I've unticked the grouping box and I'm happy now.

Thank you for your help.

Brian

There may be no difference in the current Family scenario, but it may matter if the Spouses are involved with multiple Families and Marriages.

So have I got this right?

As Tatewise said, the problem does indeed lie in looping within a group.
Something simple like
%INDI.FAMS>MARR%
%INDI.FAMS>MARR._SHAN[1+]%

will not work if the second line is ticked as Group with previous line even though according to the help pages

You can use looping indices ......within an item group. .... you must ensure that all indices used in all data references in the template or templates involved, use the same looping index.


You can sort of get round this in this instance by not grouping but if I wanted a list of witnesses within a list of marriages
%INDI.FAMS[1+]>MARR%
followed by
%INDI.FAMS[1+]>MARR._SHAN[1+]%

this wouldn't work (reasonably enough) nevermind the above problem because
An Item Group only repeats if the first group item contains a looping index. If it does, other group items should contain looping indices to be consistent with it.

Fair enough, you can't have nested loops.

So... if I want list of witnesses for each marriage, it seems there isn't an easy way. ??

Over to the experts.

Brian

Ahh. If I had read Tatewise's posts on witnesses in diagrams elsewhere a bit better I would have spotted

It is NOT currently possible to have one Template that will loop through all Birth Events listing all Witnesses,

Which confirms what I thought.

Sorry to have duplicated matters.

Brian

But that is where %CUR_FAMS>MARR...% is superior to %INDI.FAMS[?]>MARR...%.
It refers to the currently displayed Family couple's Marriage in a Diagram.

Where Individuals are shown in a Diagram with multiple Spouses, each Box is only associated with one currrent Family, and the default Template only displays one Marriage Event, which may be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc, Marriage. But that is only true if the %CUR_FAMS>MARR...% data ref is used rather than %INDI.FAMS[?]>MARR...%.

Yes, but I was trying to do it all in one box. Seems better to spread the info over one box per marriage.

To get it all in one box will required multiple Template Items to cover enough Marriage instances for the Marriage Events and Marriage Witnesses of both types.
e.g.
Marriage Template 1: %INDI.FAMS[1]>MARR%
Witness Template 1a: %INDI.FAMS[1]>MARR._SHAN[1+]%
Witness Template 1b: %INDI.FAMS[1]>MARR._SHAR[1+]%
Marriage Template 2: %INDI.FAMS[2]>MARR%
Witness Template 2a: %INDI.FAMS[2]>MARR._SHAN[1+]%
Witness Template 2b: %INDI.FAMS[2]>MARR._SHAR[1+]%
Marriage Template 3: %INDI.FAMS[3]>MARR%
Witness Template 3a: %INDI.FAMS[3]>MARR._SHAN[1+]%
Witness Template 3b: %INDI.FAMS[3]>MARR._SHAR[1+]%
and so on until you have catered for enough Marriages.

Thank you. I have learnt a lot over the last few days.

Brian